RE: Cloudflare is down

2013-03-05 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
From my point of view, outages are caused by: 1) operator 2) software defect 3) hardware defect From my experience now days the likelihood of an outage as a result of 3) is magnitude less than 2) and same goes for 2) to 1) ratio. In other words the vast majority of the outages are caused by

Re: After Being Cut From Norway, The Pirate Bay Returns From North Korea or is it just BGP Tricks

2013-03-05 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 09:43:05PM +, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote a message of 71 lines which said: But there is a lot of debate on Reddit that they are not really in North Korea and just doing some BGP trickery: And ICMP trickery, to send false ICMP replies (with a delay)

Re: After Being Cut From Norway, The Pirate Bay Returns From North Korea or is it just BGP Tricks

2013-03-05 Thread Warren Bailey
Seems easy enough to convince North Korea that they should announce my prefixes... ;) From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr Date: 03/05/2013 10:55 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Bacon Zombie

Re: After Being Cut From Norway, The Pirate Bay Returns From North Korea or is it just BGP Tricks

2013-03-05 Thread Grant Ridder
It was a hoax http://www.pcworld.com/article/2030073/the-pirate-bay-admits-to-north-korean-hosting-hoax.html On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: Seems easy enough to convince North Korea that they should announce my prefixes... ;)

What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mukom Akong T.
Dear experts, I've found myself thinking about what ground an engineer needs to cover in order to convince the executives to approve and commit to an IPv6 Deployment project. I think such a presentation (15 slides max in 45 minutes) should cover the following aspects: a) Set the strategic

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Mukom! On Tue, 5 Mar 2013 21:55:14 +0400 Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: I think such a presentation (15 slides max in 45 minutes) should cover the following aspects: You missed the most important one. Many people now include IPv6 as a mandatory RFQ item. If you don't support

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Cameron Byrne
Hi, In-line On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Dear experts, I've found myself thinking about what ground an engineer needs to cover in order to convince the executives to approve and commit to an IPv6 Deployment project. I think such a

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Mar 05, 2013, at 13:41 , Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: In-line Isn't every reply? (Well, every reply worth reading.) On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Dear experts, I've found myself thinking about what ground an engineer needs to

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mukom Akong T.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Gary E. Miller g...@rellim.com wrote: You missed the most important one. Many people now include IPv6 as a mandatory RFQ item. If you don't support it your customers will be fewer and fewer. I did mention it under the last but one paragraph of section [a].

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mukom Akong T.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: One of the most important things i see not being stressed enough is that IPv6 is frequently free or a low-cost incremental upgrade. So, when calculating ROI / NPV, the hurdle can be very low such that the cash in-flow /

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread TJ
The low hurdle advantage remains only if the organisation starts soon and progresses incrementally. I suspect the longer v6 deployment is put off, the more this advantage is eroded. Agreed; IMHO planning and starting sooner costs less than pushing it off until it is a firedrill. *Less in

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 21:55:14 +0400, Mukom Akong T. said: I've found myself thinking about what ground an engineer needs to cover in order to convince the executives to approve and commit to an IPv6 Deployment project. You forgot step 0 - figuring out why in 2013, you're talking to an

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: I've found myself thinking about what ground an engineer needs to cover in order to convince the executives to approve and commit to an IPv6 Deployment project. I think such a presentation (15 slides max in 45

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mike.
On 3/5/2013 at 9:55 PM Mukom Akong T. wrote: |Dear experts, | |I've found myself thinking about what ground an engineer needs to cover in |order to convince the executives to approve and commit to an IPv6 |Deployment project. | |I think such a presentation (15 slides max in 45 minutes) should

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread david raistrick
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Why not just have them read their own SEC filings. Nearly every company has something to the effect of this in their 10K: The potential exhaustion of the supply of unallocated IPv4 addresses and the inability of $COMPANY and other

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Owen DeLong
I think it's also important to cover the following topics somewhere in the process: 1. This will affect the entire organization, not just the IT department and will definitely impact all of apps, sysadmin, devops, operations, and networking teams within the IT department.

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mukom Akong T.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: I would lean towards f) Cost/benefit of deploying IPv6. I certainly agree, which is why I propose understanding you organisation's business model and how specifically v4 exhaustion will threaten that. IPv6 is the cast as a

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: I would lean towards f) Cost/benefit of deploying IPv6. I certainly agree, which is why I propose understanding you organisation's business model

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Vincent C Jones
On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 17:41 -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: 3.We've actually been through this before. In some cases more than once. e.g.: Novell - TCP/IP Windows Networking - TCP/IP Appletalk - TCP/IP NCP - TCP/IP In some

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: I would lean towards f) Cost/benefit of deploying IPv6. I certainly agree, which is why I propose understanding you organisation's business

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mukom Akong T.
Hello Owen, Would I be accurate in re-phrasing each of these as On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: 1. This will affect the entire organization, not just the IT department and will definitely impact all of apps, sysadmin, devops, operations,

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 3/5/2013 7:15 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: I would lean towards f) Cost/benefit of deploying IPv6. I certainly agree, which is why I propose

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread John Levine
The benefits, if any, of supporting IPv6 now really depend on what kind of use your organization makes of the Internet. Despite all of the huffing and puffing, it will be a very long time before there are interesting bits of the net not visible over IPv4 for common applications like http and

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 5, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 3/5/2013 7:15 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: I would lean towards f) Cost/benefit

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mukom Akong T.
Hello William, Thank you for your inputs, see my comments inline. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:09 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: a) Set the strategic context: how your organisation derives value from IP networks and the Internet. b) Overview of the problem: IPv4 exhaustion

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Mukom Akong T.
Hello all, I forgot to include a link to the post that details the framework I initially suggested. It's at http://techxcellence.net/2013/03/05/v6-business-case-for-engineers/ Regards

Re: What Should an Engineer Address when 'Selling' IPv6 to Executives?

2013-03-05 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 3/5/2013 8:20 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 3/5/2013 7:15 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 5, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mukom Akong T. mukom.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: I