Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread Dan White
On 06/05/13 00:34 +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I read: http://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/tues.general.Papandreou.conservation.24.pdf I would like to point out RFC 3069. On most cisco equipment this is done using static routes and ip unnumbered. So my question is basically: What

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: http://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/tues.general.Papandreou.conservation.24.pdf So my question is basically: What am I missing? Both the router and host have to support sending and accepting invalid ARP requests.

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, William Herrin wrote: Both the router and host have to support sending and accepting invalid ARP requests. Since the Linux kernel already mishandles arp by default, you're probably begging for unexpected behavior. Double down on that if the customer controls the server

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, William Herrin wrote: Both the router and host have to support sending and accepting invalid ARP requests. Since the Linux kernel already mishandles arp by default, you're probably begging for

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, William Herrin wrote: Nothing. The problem is that the arp source IP doesn't fall within the interface netmask at the receiver. Some receivers ignore that... after all, why do they care what the source IP is? They only care about the source MAC. Other receivers see a spoofed

SBC / Yahoo Mail Admin

2013-06-05 Thread Michienne Dixon
Hello - I am looking for someone with the SBC/Yahoo email group that might be able to assist me in tracking down a couple of issues. I have pretty much exhausted most of the known publicly listed resources. Feel free to contact me off list. Thanks in advance. - Max Dixon

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread Dan White
On 06/05/13 18:57 +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, William Herrin wrote: Nothing. The problem is that the arp source IP doesn't fall within the interface netmask at the receiver. Some receivers ignore that... after all, why do they care what the source IP is? They only care

Re: DNS Track at NANOG 58

2013-06-05 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Friendly reminder to those who are in the NANOG Meeting. DNS Track is today from 4:45 to 6:15. See you all there. mehmet On May 22, 2013, at 1:07 AM, Mehmet Akcin meh...@akcin.net wrote: Hello everyone, DNS Track will be on June 5, 2013 Wednesday 4:45pm-6:15pm in Crescent City Ball

Regional Internet problems for ATT in Wisconsin?

2013-06-05 Thread Mikeal Clark
We are having issues on our MIS Fiber dropping for 10-15 seconds at a time and getting reports for end users working remotely that residential u-verse internet stops working at the same time they are disconnected from work.

RE: Regional Internet problems for ATT in Wisconsin?

2013-06-05 Thread Warren Bailey
Uverse residential service in South Orange County CA has been bad all day. Can't even get emails with attachments out. Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Mikeal Clark mikeal.cl...@gmail.com Date: 06/05/2013 12:44 PM (GMT-08:00) To: NANOG [nanog@nanog.org]

RE: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread Christopher Papandreou
Hi Mikael, (Sorry if you are getting a duplicate copy of this.) In our network we had a couple of problems with RFC3069. Not all the hardware we currently use supports the RFC so we tried to come up with a solution that worked and didn't have us opening a lot of ERs (I know I reference 1 ER in

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread Ricky Beam
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:06:49 -0400, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: ... Since the Linux kernel already mishandles arp by default, you're probably begging for unexpected behavior. Double down on that if the customer controls the server image. I won't argue against calling Linux wrong.

RE: Canadian Hosting Providers - how do you handle copyright and trademark complaints

2013-06-05 Thread Sameer Khosla
My personal favorite is the number of notices that we receive as DMCA takedown notices, citing the specific laws. Most of the notices come from people who are unable to comprehend that US Laws don't apply outside of the US. Sk. -Original Message- From: J [mailto:na...@namor.ca]

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: I won't argue against calling Linux wrong. However, the linux way of dealing with ARP is well tuned for host and not router duty. I love Linux and use it throughout my work but I can't tell you the number of times its ARP

Re: Canadian Hosting Providers - how do you handle copyright and trademark complaints

2013-06-05 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Landon, On 2013-06-04, at 19:44, Landon landonstew...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering how other Canadian Hosting Providers handle copyright and trademark complaints about customers on their network. This is perhaps not directly related to your question (it concerns the application of

Re: Canadian Hosting Providers - how do you handle copyright and trademark complaints

2013-06-05 Thread Nick Khamis
On 6/5/13, Sameer Khosla skho...@neutraldata.com wrote: My personal favorite is the number of notices that we receive as DMCA takedown notices, citing the specific laws. I'm not sure US copyright laws even apply to us here in Canada? What countries have no internet laws? N.

Re: Canadian Hosting Providers - how do you handle copyright and trademark complaints

2013-06-05 Thread Fred Reimer
Canada signed the WIPO Copyright Treaty in 1997: http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?lang=entreaty_id=16 I don't know enough about Canadian law to say whether you need to ratify it or accession it before it becomes Canadian lawŠ HTH, On 6/5/13 7:40 PM, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com

Re: Canadian Hosting Providers - how do you handle copyright and trademark complaints

2013-06-05 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/5/13, Sameer Khosla skho...@neutraldata.com wrote: My personal favorite is the number of notices that we receive as DMCA takedown notices, citing the specific laws. Heh... In an ideal world; you'd provide them an agent for copyright takedown requests, that they must send canadian

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread rdrake
On 2013-06-05 18:25, Ricky Beam wrote: That said, I do use a stripped debian box as an inter-vlan router. You don't want to see the pages of tweaks it's taken to stop it being a broadcast storm generator. (and no, arpd is stupid hack.) It's a beautiful thing to run tcpdump ... broadcast and

Re: IP4 address conservation method

2013-06-05 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/5/13, rdrake rdr...@direcpath.com wrote: On 2013-06-05 18:25, Ricky Beam wrote: [snip] (And I'm not too happy with the BS 32 interface limit for multicast routing.) Actually, I'd love to see the pages of tweaks. Seems like it would be useful if I need to do this in the future :) The

Re: Canadian Hosting Providers - how do you handle copyright and trademark complaints

2013-06-05 Thread Roy
On 6/5/2013 4:40 PM, Nick Khamis wrote: On 6/5/13, Sameer Khosla skho...@neutraldata.com wrote: My personal favorite is the number of notices that we receive as DMCA takedown notices, citing the specific laws. I'm not sure US copyright laws even apply to us here in Canada? What countries have