Re: PRISM Update: NYT says WaPo a bit credulous

2013-06-08 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: Well, ok, they don't actually *say* that, but it's the underlying idea behind their own piece, which says that the listed companies didn't really give NSA quite such unfettered access There's another potential explanation: from

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-08 Thread Joly MacFie
I was at an incentive auction discussion earlier in the week where it was suggested that the broadcasters see a rosy future with ATSC beaming to mobile, but there is still work to be done. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC-M/H On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:

Re: PRISM Update: NYT says WaPo a bit credulous

2013-06-08 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 06:23:19AM +, Dobbins, Roland wrote: There's another potential explanation: [snip] *puts on evil hat, adjusts for snug fit* Targeting the technical people who actually have their hands on the gear might be the best choice. They don't have the power, wealth and

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-08 Thread Brandon Butterworth
I was at an incentive auction discussion earlier in the week where it was suggested that the broadcasters see a rosy future with ATSC beaming to mobile, but there is still work to be done. They might wish, after many years there has been little take up of the various systems created to do this

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com): tinfoilhat Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired.

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com): tinfoilhat Just wait

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Mike Jones
On 8 June 2013 12:12, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com): tinfoilhat Just wait until we

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Warren Bailey
They use those very regularly.. There is a widely used model called the KV. Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com Date: 06/08/2013 4:14 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org Cc: goe...@anime.net,NANOG

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote: Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired. Why wait? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=0 -Bill -- William D. Herrin her...@dirtside.com

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:57:07 -0700, Mark Seiden said: and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do anything like this addressing even a single provider for that little money. Convince me the *real* number

Re: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Bryan Fields
On 6/7/13 12:21 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: On 2013-06-07 09:12, Aaron Hughes wrote: Anyone else getting connection hangs and closes to Facebook? Yes, and from a lot of vantage points, thus it is not your local network that is at fault, seems that there are some IP addresses which are being

OC3/STM-1 Line Card

2013-06-08 Thread Nick Khamis
Hello Everyone, Anyone know of a way of bypassing the 90K audiocodes mediant 3000 equipped for STM-1 interface using line cards and a linux box :). What we are looking to do is replace our traditional ISDN DS3 equipped for voice using an STM-1/OC3 backbone and our own put together linux box.

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Wayne E Bouchard
You can keep a hacker out, true, but you cannot keep the government out. When the force of law can be used to compell you to act against your wishes or your own best interests, all bets are of. Hackers sneak in through the back door. The govt just breaks the front door down and demands entry and

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-08 Thread cb.list6
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Brandon Butterworth bran...@rd.bbc.co.uk wrote: I was at an incentive auction discussion earlier in the week where it was suggested that the broadcasters see a rosy future with ATSC beaming to mobile, but there is still work to be done. They might wish, after

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Warren Bailey
I was just thinking.. Why go after all of these network based information type? Why not just approach dell about some secret iDRAC system for Agent X? Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Wayne E Bouchard w...@typo.org Date: 06/08/2013 9:10 AM (GMT-08:00) To:

RE: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Keith Medcalf
Yahoo does not provide the government with direct access to its servers, systems, or network. Ah, so you admit that you provide indirect access by interposing a firewall and router between your datacenter network and the transport link to the NSA. That is just normal sound security practice

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-08 Thread Warren Bailey
Japan has been doing this exact thing for close to 10 years.. Why is it hard to do? Buffer the video 30 seconds or use a codec that doesn't blow? I use my phone via 4Gand stream media constantly. If you take a look at Charlie Ergen's behavior lately, there won't need to be a lte tv..

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-08 Thread cb.list6
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: Japan has been doing this exact thing for close to 10 years.. Why is it hard Japan has been doing what exactly? Can you cite it? I am pretty sure by exact thing you do not mean EMBMS. to do? Buffer

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com Would you really trust crypto applied by someone else on your behalf? sure, your data's safe--I triple rot-13'd it myself! ;P Oh, do we need triple now? I've been double-ROT13'ing my data for *years*. Cheers, --

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Wayne E Bouchard w...@typo.org Remember that part of the issue is the fact that, thanks to the Patriot Act and FISA, not only can you be given a warrant that does not proceed through normal channels, you are forbidden from even acknowledging its very

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread David Miller
On 06/08/2013 01:47 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Wayne E Bouchard w...@typo.org Remember that part of the issue is the fact that, thanks to the Patriot Act and FISA, not only can you be given a warrant that does not proceed through normal channels, you are

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-08 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Brandon Butterworth bran...@rd.bbc.co.uk wrote: The next try is LTE Broadcast http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMBMS Without going into painful detail on the policy, technology or economics, i

Re: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Chris Conn
On 2013-06-08 15:29, Chris Conn wrote: It's affecting anyone running dual stack, as the server responds, hangs, times out and then it tries again on v6. At least in the latest FF and Safari browsers, I've not tried chrome. I've cc'd this over to Nanog, as I've not seen anything about it there,

Re: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Rikard Johansson
Måste vara nåt med browsern. Fortsatt god helg! Test IPv6 FAQ Mirrors Stats Test your IPv6 connectivity. Summary Tests Run Share Results / Contact Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be 213.65.35.162 (TELIANET-SWEDEN TeliaSonera AB) Your IPv6 address on the public Internet

Re: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Doug Porter
We're actively investigating the v6 issues. We need more data though. If you're experiencing problems, please email me a tcpdump/pcap or any other debug data you think will help. Thanks, -- dsp

Re: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Doug Porter wrote: We're actively investigating the v6 issues. We need more data though. If you're experiencing problems, please email me a tcpdump/pcap or any other debug data you think will help. I'll see what I can grab. I've noticed the issue intermittently both at

RE: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Frank Bulk
Someone must have yanked the for www.facebook.com, because I see a CNAME to star.c10r.facebook.com, which doesn't have an . DNS server: 199.120.69.24 ; DiG 9.7.3 www.facebook.com @199.120.69.24 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;;

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Jun 7, 2013, at 12:25 AM, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote: tinfoilhat Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired. /tinfoilhat Speaking from the content provider dide here, but we've always run IPsec on DCIs and even private T1s/DS3s back in the day.

RE: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Frank Bulk
And just like that, the is back again. =) DNS server: 167.142.225.5 ; DiG 9.7.3 www.facebook.com @167.142.225.5 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 46006 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1,

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread James Harrison
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/06/2013 16:31, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote: Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired. Why wait?

Re: Facebook broken over v6?

2013-06-08 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 01:29:43PM -0700, Doug Porter wrote: We're actively investigating the v6 issues. We need more data though. If you're experiencing problems, please email me a tcpdump/pcap or any other debug data you think will help. I was experiencing problems, and disabling ipv6

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread ku po
What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all the data? They DON'T need to build expensive systems. They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information, these information are available for them and fast enough. So the statement that saying we don't

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-08 Thread ku po
I don't need any wire tapping or decrypting. Let's say I want to see all NANOG emails, I just need to call Larry Page's CSO office and someone will send me a copy. of course I can't give you any evidence, how could I? Does it make sense? On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM, ku po cciehe...@gmail.com