On 6/14/13, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
Is it possible? Yes, but it's not feasible because the data rate would be
too low. That's what I'm trying to get across. There are lots things that
can be done but many of those are not useful.
[snip]
I agree that the data rate will be low. I
Subject: Re: Prism continued Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 05:13:45PM -0700
Quoting Scott Weeks (sur...@mauigateway.com):
or cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less
Surely you mean
egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' /var/log/router.log | less
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 07:51:22PM -0400, Scott Helms wrote:
Really? In a completely controlled network then yes, but not in a
production system. There is far too much random noise and actual latency
for that to be feasible.
The coding used for the stegano side channel can be made quite
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:34:49PM -0400, Scott Helms wrote:
Is it possible? Yes, but it's not feasible because the data rate would be
too low. That's what I'm trying to get across. There are lots things that
can be done but many of those are not useful.
I could encode communications in
With the CPU and RAM available in a router that has to actually continue
functioning at the same time? Exactly how much data through put would you
consider to be usable in this scenario?
Again, my point is not that its impossible but that all these things are
impractical AND there are
I can't agree Jimmy, I don't see a few bps being anywhere close to being
useful in any of the scenarios your describe especially because there are
easier ways of doing those things. To do any of that the first thing you
have to do is establish the CC channel so now you have a very low bit rate
On 6/15/13, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
They're terrible places for gathering non-targeted information because the
amount of data flowing through them means that that the likelihood of any
give packet having any value is very very low. If the goal includes
[snip]
The probability of
Jimmy,
This I agree with and in fact I said in earlier parts of this conversation
that the existence of a kill switch and/or backdoor in Huawei gear wouldn't
surprise me at all. Of course I'd say the same thing about pretty much all
the gear manufacturers and its really just a question of who
First: this is a fascinating discussion. Thank you.
Second:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 01:56:34AM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote:
There will be indeed be _plenty_ of ways that a low bit rate channel
can do everything the right adversary needs.
A few bits for second is plenty of data rate for
On 06/15/2013 05:13 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
First: this is a fascinating discussion. Thank you.
Second:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 01:56:34AM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote:
There will be indeed be _plenty_ of ways that a low bit rate channel
can do everything the right adversary needs.
A few bits
i wonder if and how many governments are worried about when the nsa
tells cisco to send the kill switch signal to their routers.
randy
On 6/15/13 5:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
i wonder if and how many governments are worried about when the nsa
tells cisco to send the kill switch signal to their routers.
Having worked for an Israel-based security vendor I'd opine:
A. That many sovereign states are concerned about sourcing for
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
i wonder if and how many governments are worried about when the nsa
tells cisco to send the kill switch signal to their routers.
randy
What kill switch ?
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/csa/cisco-sa-20090325-udp.html
- Original Message -
From: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com
Is it possible? Yes, but it's not feasible because the data rate would be
too low. That's what I'm trying to get across. There are lots things that
can be done but many of those are not useful.
I could encode communications
- Original Message -
From: Jazz Kenny trapperjohn...@gmail.com
What about through SDR? ie. http://nuand.com/
I mean, 'subscriber' seems to indicate a layman, but SDR isn't too complex
to get running for someone with a modicum of electronics experience -
especially in this day and
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 goe...@anime.net wrote:
cellphones with cameras are probably better for the purposes of covert
mass surveillance, especially ones with front facing cameras. far more of
them out there, and wireless to
Only victim in all of this is the poor NSA contractor who had to sift thru my
browser history
Sent from my iPhone
On 2013-06-15, at 4:24 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 goe...@anime.net
...yes indeed given smella-vision ;-)
./Randy
--- On Sat, 6/15/13, Mark Gauvin mgau...@dryden.ca wrote:
From: Mark Gauvin mgau...@dryden.ca
Subject: Re: Prism continued
To: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Date: Saturday, June 15, 2013, 2:28 PM
Only
What about through SDR? ie. http://nuand.com/
I mean, 'subscriber' seems to indicate a layman, but SDR isn't too complex
to get
running for someone with a modicum of electronics experience - especially
in this
day and age, where oscilloscopes and frequency analysis is available to
anyone with
Esteemed colleagues,
Did anyone else get a Twitter invite from @washsuntimes to their
NANOG-use-only email addresses? Granted, mine was with my old one, but
it was still very much specific to this list. Maybe not the best place
to harvest addresses.
Jima
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