RE: Single AS multiple Dirverse Providers

2013-06-18 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
neighbor a.b.c.d allowas-in route-map SAFETY Wow this would be so cool, I'll definitely mention this to our SE. I was wondering if the internet service is realized as MPLS VRF than the ISP could do as-override which is pretty standard for VPN services. What I'm curious about is the percentage

Re: Single AS multiple Dirverse Providers

2013-06-18 Thread Oliver
A BGP speaker will not accept routes with its own AS in the path, nor should it. Whilst a number of people have suggested using allowas-in, I'd personally not recommend it as loop prevention is generally a good thing - if you ever added a BGP speaker to one network that also had internet

Re: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread Jakob Heitz
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:04:52 -0600 From: Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com ... you could always thread the crap out of whatever it is your transactioning across the link to make up for TCP's jackknifes... What is a TCP jackknife? Cheers. Jakob.

Re: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread Fred Reimer
It is also called a sawtooth or similar terms. Just google tcp sawtooth and you will see many references, and images that depict the traffic pattern. HTH, Fred Reimer | Secure Network Solutions Architect Presidio | www.presidio.com http://www.presidio.com/ 3250 W. Commercial Blvd Suite 360,

Re: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread Jakob Heitz
Thanks Fred. Sawtooth is more familiar. How much of that do you actually see in practice? Cheers, Jakob. On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Fred Reimer frei...@freimer.org wrote: It is also called a sawtooth or similar terms. Just google tcp sawtooth and you will see many references, and images

Re: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread Phil Fagan
Sorry; yes Sawtooth is the more accurate term. I see this on a daily occurance with large data-set transfers; generally if the data-set is large multiples of the initial window. I've never tested medium latency( 100ms) with small enough payloads where it may pay-off threading out many thousands of

RE: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread James Braunegg
Dear All We Deal with TCP window size all day every day across the southern cross from LA to Australia which adds around 160ms... I've given up looking for a solution to get around physical physics of sending TCP traffic a long distance at a high speed UDP traffic however comes in very

Re: recommended outdoor enclosures

2013-06-18 Thread Tony Cole
The Skid-mounted C3Spear in a NEMA4 version would work perfectly for this application. http://www.ellipticalmobilesolutions.com/c3spear.html

Re: huawei

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Helms
So I'm clear, its not just a low bit rate argument. Its a low bit rate, combined with little spare horsepower (CPU RAM), little non-volatile storage, and a deluge of information to sort through in order to find something useful. If core routers weren't in the core, where they have access to

Re: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:53:48 -, James Braunegg said: We Deal with TCP window size all day every day across the southern cross from LA to Australia which adds around 160ms... I've given up looking for a solution to get around physical physics of sending TCP traffic a long distance at a

Re: huawei (oscilloscopes and frequency analysis)

2013-06-18 Thread Jazz Kenny
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Tony Patti t...@swalter.com wrote: Thanks, I liked your pointer to the SDR. But can I ask you for a bit more info about your statement where oscilloscopes and frequency analysis is available to anyone with some Google-fu We don't need as much test equipment

Re: huawei (oscilloscopes and frequency analysis)

2013-06-18 Thread Phil Fagan
now THAT would be a cool project! On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jazz Kenny trapperjohn...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Tony Patti t...@swalter.com wrote: Thanks, I liked your pointer to the SDR. But can I ask you for a bit more info about your statement where

Re: huawei (oscilloscopes and frequency analysis)

2013-06-18 Thread Tom Morris
There's already code out there for the GNURadio project's software defined radio infrastructure that supports some very basic LTE analysis using a $20 or less USB DTV tuner stick!! Only a matter of time before some radio devices with a lot more bandwidth become affordable and easily

Re: huawei (oscilloscopes and frequency analysis)

2013-06-18 Thread Brian Reichert
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 02:31:37PM -0600, Phil Fagan wrote: now THAT would be a cool project! (I missed the beginnig of this thread; sorry if this is a repeat.) There was the fellow demonstrating a spoofed 2G GSM tower at DefCon recently:

Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List
Howdy, I have been working on a proposal for the organization I work for to move into the 10gbit datacenter. We have a small datacenter currently of about 1000 ports of 1gbit. We have traditionally been a full Cisco shop, however I was asked to do a price comparison as well as

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Phil Fagan
I love JUNOS, don't really care for IOS. I really trust Cisco and Juniper's hardware, with that being said Arista is your best bet for cheapest port. I've only seen Arista in lab, not in the wild yet so I can't speak for how I would trust them. You mention getting bit by single sups, I believe as

RE: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread James Braunegg
Dear Valdis Thanks for your comments, whilst I know you can optimize servers for TCP windowing I was more talking about network backhaul where you don't have control over the server sending the traffic. ie backhauling IP transit over the southern cross cable system Kindest Regards James

RE: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List
Let me also clarify, Price per port is not the final deciding factor. We are looking much more at a combination of daily operational sanity, troubleshooting features, operational feature set, vendor support quality and price. Support is absolute key. When we need help, we need help quickly

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Michel de Nostredame
DELL Force10 switches (not DELL Power Connect) run so far so good in our environment. the combination of S4810 and Z9000 make good sense on both operation and capex point of view. There were three headaches for us in the beginning of adaption. Force10 calculates frame size with CRC32, say if your

Re: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:24:15 -, James Braunegg said: Thanks for your comments, whilst I know you can optimize servers for TCP windowing I was more talking about network backhaul where you don't have control over the server sending the traffic. If you don't have control over the server,

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Michel de Nostredame
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List blake.mailingl...@pfankuch.me wrote: Let me also clarify, Price per port is not the final deciding factor. We are looking much more at a combination of daily operational sanity, troubleshooting features, operational feature set,

Re: 10gig coast to coast

2013-06-18 Thread Ben Aitchison
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 08:47:41PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:24:15 -, James Braunegg said: Thanks for your comments, whilst I know you can optimize servers for TCP windowing I was more talking about network backhaul where you don't have control over

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Phil Fagan
I've had nothing but good luck with Juniper support and well with Cisco you pay for support too. I will say Arista support was great, however, I'm still hesitant to put them in full production; but I think that is lack of experience with them speaking. Do the bake off in your lab and let'm run!

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Mike Hale
I'm exact opposite of Phil. I love IOS and hate JunOSfor that single reason, I'm really against buying Juniper in our shop for pretty much anything. :) Still, to be fair, the hardware seems to be really, really stable and well built. I don't think we've had a failure across our Junipers in

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Phil Fagan
Mike brings up a good point though; the effort, cost, and risk of introducing a new CLI to an environment sometimes is masked until you really need to dig in and work through outages. Familiarity with a codebase or at least with how the code thinks should go a long way when deciding what to put in

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread Brent Jones
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List blake.mailingl...@pfankuch.me wrote: Howdy, I have been working on a proposal for the organization I work for to move into the 10gbit datacenter. We have a small datacenter currently of about 1000 ports of 1gbit.

Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

2013-06-18 Thread QliX=D! [aka EHB]
Go juniper!!! Full junos equipment on the network means same OS for switches, routers, and firewalls. You have high end equipment to support a core tier1 backbone, and also a simpliest 24 port sw soho range. All with the same config languaje. You can use the management software called junos space