Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Aug 20, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Christopher Morrell wrote: > In Winnipeg, isn't there also the WPGIX? Do you have two competing IXPs in > Winnipeg? There are nominally competing efforts in Winnipeg (MBIX and WPGIX), Calgary (YYCIX and AlbertaIX), Montreal (QIX and Peer1), Vancouver (BCIX and Pee

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Christopher Morrell
The old generation QIX (in Montreal) has been around a long time as an IXP where commercial players have been present. It was managed and operated by RISQ (a research network) but most of the members were commercial. The new generation of QIX is managed much like TorIX and continues to be oper

Re: Contact for Hetzner AS24940 and Host Europe AS20773?

2013-08-20 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 20.08.2013 22:54, bottiger wrote: > Anyone know of any contacts for Hetzner AS24940 and Host Europe AS20773? > whois -h whois.peeringdb.com AS24940 | grep ^Technical Technical NOC n...@hetzner.de +49 911 234226 0 whois -h whois.peeringdb.com AS20773 | grep ^Technical

Contact for Hetzner AS24940 and Host Europe AS20773?

2013-08-20 Thread bottiger
Anyone know of any contacts for Hetzner AS24940 and Host Europe AS20773? Thanks in advance.

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Jonathan Stewart
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > As you may know CIRA has been working with groups across Canada to > > establish new IXPs. > > wow! i thought there were a lot of ixps, torix, vantx, ... > Canada is geographically enormous. Long-haul transit is therefore costly, and contro

Re: Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Jared Mauch
On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Tim Durack wrote: > The vendor-locked optics issue cause more trouble than it is worth. There > really needs to be some kind of "aftermarket" ruling on network equipment, > something along the lines of: I've had interoperability issues with first party optics with

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Clayton Zekelman
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Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Barry Shein
On August 20, 2013 at 11:12 alte...@alter3d.ca (Peter Kristolaitis) wrote: > On 08/20/2013 09:52 AM, Harald Koch wrote: > > On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush wrote: > > > >> ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on > >> the up and up and doing good professio

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Harald Koch wrote: > On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush wrote: > >> >> ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on >> the up and up and doing good professional work. >> > > haha. yes, because Canadians are normally so sinister and nef

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
On 08/20/2013 09:52 AM, Harald Koch wrote: On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush wrote: ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on the up and up and doing good professional work. haha. yes, because Canadians are normally so sinister and nefarious... Hey, we're nef

Re: Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Tim Durack
The vendor-locked optics issue cause more trouble than it is worth. There really needs to be some kind of "aftermarket" ruling on network equipment, something along the lines of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermarket_(automotive) Tim:> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Clayton Zekelman wrote

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Harald Koch
On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush wrote: > > ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on > the up and up and doing good professional work. > haha. yes, because Canadians are normally so sinister and nefarious...

Re: Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Clayton Zekelman
FWIW, I've never had an issue with third party optics. Particularly if they're OEM Finisar, JDSU, etc... At 09:35 AM 20/08/2013, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - > From: "Brandon Ross" > She has sold many thousands of optics, all with lifetime warrantys. > Many of them to v

Re: Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Brandon Ross" > She has sold many thousands of optics, all with lifetime warrantys. > Many of them to very large and clueful organizations, many of whom are > represented here on NANOG. Of those thousands sold, I can count less > than 20 that have been retur

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Randy Bush
> are these open, neutral, ixps, a la six etc? or big players trying to > save the internet from itself? > > would some of the *local* providers in the areas who actually use the > cira ixen care to report on the experience? ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on

Re: Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Brandon Ross
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Manuel Marín wrote: We are currently evaluating the use of generic third party optics (SFP+ and XFP) for 40Kms and 80Kms applications from vendors like NHR and Champion One and I was wondering if someone in the group has experience using optics from these vendors. I am bia

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Randy, On 2013-08-20, at 01:05, Randy Bush wrote: >> As you may know CIRA has been working with groups across Canada to >> establish new IXPs. > > wow! i thought there were a lot of ixps, torix, vantx, ... The TorIX has been the most significant exchange point with growth and traffic for

Re: Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-08-20 00:00 -0600), Manuel Marín wrote: > We are currently evaluating the use of generic third party optics (SFP+ and > XFP) for 40Kms and 80Kms applications from vendors like NHR and Champion > One and I was wondering if someone in the group has experience using optics Neither of these

Re: Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 20/08/2013 07:00, Manuel Marín wrote: > Could someone share their experience with using generic optics for DWDM > applications? Not sure what you mean by "generic optics"? If you mean manufactured by Joe's Optics and Fishing Bait company and sold on ebay for special low rates, then the questio

Re: will ISP peer with 2 local WAN routers?

2013-08-20 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
A bit late to the discussion, but we use a stack of EX switches which terminate L2 connections from the providers and two routers which have BGP sessions with them. Each switch has ports provisioned so that in case one switch fails, we just simply move the ethernet cable to the working switch and e

Typical warranty for generic DWDM transceivers

2013-08-20 Thread Manuel Marín
Dear nanog group We are currently evaluating the use of generic third party optics (SFP+ and XFP) for 40Kms and 80Kms applications from vendors like NHR and Champion One and I was wondering if someone in the group has experience using optics from these vendors. My concern is about quality/reliabil