Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Tore Anderson
* James Braunegg Of course for any form of Anti DDoS hardware to be functional you need to make sure your network can route and pass the traffic so you can absorb the bad traffic to give you a chance cleaning the traffic. So in order for an Anti-DDoS appliance to be functional the network

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Adrian M
Hi, You can also test WANGUARD, http://www.andrisoft.com/ for DDoS detection and BGP triggered blackholing. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.netwrote: Hi, You can also take a look at http://www.packetdam.com/ for DDoS protection. Eugeniu On Thu, Dec 19,

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread John Kristoff
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:12:28 -0800 cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. It is the simplest solution that is proactive. I understand your willingness to do this, but I'd strongly advise you to rethink such a strategy.

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Tore Anderson t...@fud.no wrote: So in order for an Anti-DDoS appliance to be functional the network needs to be able to withstand the DDoS on its own. How terribly useful. Due to the nature of network infrastructure devices and TCP/IP, it's quite necessary that

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 19/12/2013 13:17, Dobbins, Roland wrote: This is a base requirement for any network operator, without exception. in fact, this comes down to cost / benefit / application analysis, without exception. Many hosting profiles don't require this sort of anti-DDoS kit. In many cases it's far

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: Many hosting profiles don't require this sort of anti-DDoS kit. My post had nothing to do with 'anti-DDoS kit'. I'm sure mitigation boxes like this serve well in many situations if the cost / benefit justifies the

Anyone seeing issues with Abovenet/Zayo in Northeast US?

2013-12-19 Thread Jeffrey Negro
We have two MPLS circuits malfunctioning, one from DE to NJ, and another from DE to CA. Both are showing high latency and packet loss. Curious to hear if anyone else is having issues. Thanks

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 19/12/2013 14:08, Dobbins, Roland wrote: My post had nothing to do with 'anti-DDoS kit'. hmm, re-reading it, your post was contextually ambiguous and I read it in a different way to the way that apparently you meant. but yes, if you're doing onsite ddos scrubbing, you needs lotsabandwidth.

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 12/18/13 8:03 PM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:12:28 -0800, cb.list6 said: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. It is the simplest solution that is proactive. What

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Edward Lewis
On Dec 18, 2013, at 18:12, cb.list6 wrote: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. It is the simplest solution that is proactive. Recently it's been said that when a protocol is query/response (like DNS), willingly suppressing responses might be as

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Lee Howard wrote: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. It is the simplest solution that is proactive. What are the prospects for ipv6 UDP not suffering the same fate? Roughly 0%, but there's so little v6 traffic compared to v4,

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread cb.list6
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Edward Lewis ed.le...@neustar.biz wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 18:12, cb.list6 wrote: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. It is the simplest solution that is proactive. Recently it's been said that when a protocol is

RE: BGP from Juniper to Cisco ASR

2013-12-19 Thread Eric Dugas
Probably a TTL problem. Did you configure ebgp-multihop? Eric Dugas ZEROFAIL / AS40191 edu...@zerofail.com -Original Message- From: Philip Lavine [mailto:source_ro...@yahoo.com] Sent: December 18, 2013 10:48 AM To: NANOG list Subject: BGP from Juniper to Cisco ASR Dec 18 07:46:33:

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm really surprised no one has mentioned Akamai/Prolexic, especially since their recent marriage. If someone has already mentioned it: Apologies. - - ferg On 12/19/2013 4:08 AM, Adrian M wrote: Hi, You can also test WANGUARD,

Re: BGP from Juniper to Cisco ASR

2013-12-19 Thread Philip Lavine
I was able to solve the issue by statically routing the connected /29 out the connected interface, that way it overrode the BGP learned route for the same subnet (unfortunately this might have been a multi-homing issue that resulted in asymmetrical routing to the primary peer via the secondary

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread den...@justipit.com
Just about every security, network and ADC vendor out there is claiming anti-dos capabilities. Be careful when going that route and do your own validation. I suggest looking at Radware and Arbor (both leaders in the market). To successfully mitigate an attack the ideal solutions will weed out

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread den...@justipit.com
Just about every security, network and ADC vendor out there is claiming anti-dos capabilities. Be careful when going that route and do your own validation. I suggest looking at Radware and Arbor (both leaders in the market). To successfully mitigate an attack the ideal solutions will weed out

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:30 PM, den...@justipit.com den...@justipit.comwrote: Just about every security, network and ADC vendor out there is claiming anti-dos capabilities. Be careful when going that route and do your own validation. I suggest looking at Radware and Arbor (both leaders in

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread den...@justipit.com
I have to disagree with the scaling as I've personally deployed both Arbor and Radware in carrier and MSSP environments, including tier 1, CLEC and cable operators. Deployment models vary from infrastructure protection to scrubbing center and top of rack solutions. Happy to discuss with you

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread den...@justipit.com
I have to disagree with the scaling as I've personally deployed both Arbor and Radware in carrier and MSSP environments, including tier 1, CLEC and cable operators. Deployment models vary from infrastructure protection to scrubbing center and top of rack solutions. Happy to discuss with you

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: hmm, re-reading it, your post was contextually ambiguous and I read it in a different way to the way that apparently you meant. It was quite clear what was meant, even without looking at the linked presentation, which

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-19 Thread Nicholas Oas
I did an OK job of getting my Linksys E2100L working with Comcast v6 on OpenWRT. It is not officially supported on this platform per se, but a simple hack of the source for WRT160NL allows it to be built. Since I was already rolling my own firmware, I checked the box for 'ipv6' and got the

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:12 AM, cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. QoS is a very poor mechanism for remediating DDoS attacks. It ensures that programmatically-generated attack traffic will 'squeeze out' legitimate

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread cb.list6
On Dec 19, 2013 4:25 PM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:12 AM, cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. QoS is a very poor mechanism for remediating DDoS attacks. It ensures that

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Scott Weeks
--- cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 19, 2013 4:25 PM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:12 AM, cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. QoS is a very poor mechanism for remediating DDoS

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Tore Anderson
* Dobbins, Roland Once again, nothing in my post said or referred to bandwidth; The post of mine, to which you replied, did. Perhaps if you had taken your own advice quoted below when replying to me, Nick wouldn't have been contextually confused. Tore In future, it might be a good idea to

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Dec 20, 2013, at 4:39 AM, cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Not answering any of that. But thanks for asking. I wasn't asking those questions in order to elicit information from you, but rather as food for thought as you work through these issues. I think ipv4 udp is just going to

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-19 Thread ML
On 12/11/2013 10:23 PM, Rob Seastrom wrote: Eric Oosting eric.oost...@gmail.com writes: It brings a tear to my eye that it takes: 0) A long standing and well informed internet technologist; 1) specific, and potentially high end, CPE for the res; 2) specific and custom firmware, unsupported

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-19 Thread Christopher Morrow
In the case of Comcast (and anecdotally ISC DHCP) - You'll either need to wait out the the lease time (4 days) or ask Comcast to nicely clear out your /64 lease manually. Release/renew doesn't release your current DHCP lease. I was getting A /64 and /60 (/64 had a preference of 255) before

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-19 Thread Owen DeLong
FYI - DHCP-PD is now working better in RouterOS 6.5 Prefix length hints are now available (CLI) only. /ipv6 dhcp-client add add-default-route=yes interface=wan interface pool-name=dhcp-pd \ prefix-hint=::/60 I'd like to encourage people to use prefix-hint=::/48. The router should

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-19 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: FYI - DHCP-PD is now working better in RouterOS 6.5 Prefix length hints are now available (CLI) only. /ipv6 dhcp-client add add-default-route=yes interface=wan interface pool-name=dhcp-pd \ prefix-hint=::/60 I'd like

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-19 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: I'd like to encourage people to use prefix-hint=::/48. ... I think if I ask (via wide-dhcpv6-server) for more than is going to be sent I