Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net wrote: Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them? Or is it better to put v4 in the v6 session or v6 in the v4 session?

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Paul S.
As precaution, you should always deny ipv6 unicast on v4 sessions, and vice versa. On 5/3/2014 午後 03:01, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net wrote: Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)] Date: Fri, May 02, 2014 at 03:58:42PM -0600 Quoting Chris Grundemann (cgrundem...@gmail.com): Would you expound a bit on what you mean here? I don't quite follow but I am very interested to

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Randy Bush
a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, just more 1918. randy

Re: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Clayton Zekelman
In my experience, where Bell Canada has installed FTTP facilities, CLECs are not given access to these deployments. The orders come back as UNAVAILABLE FACILITIES At 11:49 PM 02/05/2014, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: I need a sanity check. An incumbent in Canada has revealed that its voice

Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Dear HP: If your not going to support IPv6 can you at least not return SRVFAIL when asked for an record: root@spoons:/etc/mail # dig onramp01.hpeprint.com ; DiG 9.8.3-P4 onramp01.hpeprint.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL,

RE: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Frank Bulk
We use H.248 in our CLEC area. The voice service for that ONT runs on a specified VLAN for that ONT, so if we had to share our infrastructure with other CLECs we could do that. Frank -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois Mezei Sent:

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: The fact that you need v4 space to build a MPLS backbone is a very good reason to not waste a /10 on CGN crap. Ah, so you're in the camp that a /10 given to one organization for their private use would have been

RE: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Vitkovský Adam
Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of other AFs on the common v4 TCP session, maybe apart from couple of the big folks, who can afford

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, just more 1918. A good number of folks use other folks IP space in all kinds of strange

RE: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Vitkovský Adam wrote: Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of other AFs on the common v4 TCP session, maybe apart

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread joel jaeggli
On 5/3/14, 10:36 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, just more 1918. A good number of folks use

Re: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Carlos Alcantar
+1 here we do the same exact thing with our ftth and ont¹s separate vlan with h.248 gw¹s sitting on it and you just point the profile of the voice port to the gw. There is a reason why they are doing things this way, as current regulation does not force them to give you access to there fiber

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Scott Howard
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: Dear HP: If your not going to support IPv6 can you at least not return SRVFAIL when asked for an record: They aren't. Your resolver is - or at least, that's what it looks like for me. Sending an query to their

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le 03/05/2014 20:23, Mikael Abrahamsson a écrit : On Sat, 3 May 2014, Vitkovský Adam wrote: Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of

Re: CLEC and FTTP H.248/Megaco

2014-05-03 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
Based on asnwers so far: To put things in perspective The current regulations offer unbundled COPPER loops, as well as an aggregated wholesale last mile access for DSL/VDSL (wholesale also mandated for cable for data but not voice) This may change with the CRTC 2013-551 consultation which

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Either way - it breaks Sendmail, some versions of Exchange, and possibly other MTA's. The proper answer to a non-existent record is NOERROR, with ANSWER 0. Hanging or refusing to answer doesn't result in another attempt to look for an A record since the name server failed to respond to

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: Either way - it breaks Sendmail, some versions of Exchange, and possibly other MTA's. The proper answer to a non-existent record is NOERROR, with ANSWER 0. if I ask ns1/2/3/4/5/6.hp.com directly for for

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com said: if I ask ns1/2/3/4/5/6.hp.com directly for for onramp01.hpeprint.com.: ; DiG 9.8.1-P1 onramp01.hpeprint.com. @ns6.hp.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id:

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Scott Howard
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote: You left out the authority section that refers you to the correct DNS servers - ns[1-6].hp.com are not it. They delegate to another set of HP servers, which all time out (as stated by the OP) when asked for . Actually

Re: Paging HP DNS admin

2014-05-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com said: if I ask ns1/2/3/4/5/6.hp.com directly for for onramp01.hpeprint.com.: ; DiG 9.8.1-P1 onramp01.hpeprint.com. @ns6.hp.com ;; global options: +cmd

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Randy Bush
Ah, so you're in the camp that a /10 given to one organization for their private use would have been better than reserving that /10 for _everyone_ to use. We'll have to agree to disagree there. you forced an rfc allocation. that makes public space, and is and will be used as such. you wanted