Re: Residential VSAT experiences?

2015-06-26 Thread Nicholas Oas
Thank you all for your responses. This was exactly the kind of information and opinions I was hoping to find- way better than reading tea leaves!

Re: Level3 NOC Contact

2015-06-26 Thread Michael Loftis
AFAIK theres no longer any way to get their attention unless you're a customer AND have signed up for their online portal system at https://my.level3.com/ - and I wouldn't expect anything stellar then either. You'll likely have to do your own troubleshooting through them as my recent experiences

Level3 NOC Contact

2015-06-26 Thread Nathanael C. Cariaga
Hi, Any Level3 NOC contacts on the list? Our link in Irvine has been on and off for few minutes already. Would appreciate replies offline.. Thanks! -nathan

Re: Thanks aws / gcc / azure

2015-06-26 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
As someone rightly pointed out ARIN now down to 0.00978 /8s in aggregate. or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 so this is more appropriate I suppose we'd better give it a try

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Fri Jun 26, 2015 at 09:26:53AM -0500, Doug McIntyre wrote: I guess VZ thought the colo was ultimately to stand alone without talking to anybody. And they are a communications company. And there-in lies the answer to your question. They're a communications company. They want to sell you

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread Doug McIntyre
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 05:04:09PM -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey for a tech job. To my astonishment, I discovered that there appears to be a Verizon datacenter near my

Today's Supreme Court ruling

2015-06-26 Thread Paul WALL
I hear the Supreme Court just ruled IPv6 legal in all states... What does this mean for the backward people who have been steadily resisting deploying the current version of the Internet Protocol? Drive Slow, Paul

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread Alan Buxey
There was signing of NDAs Which you obviously read and follow to the letter ;) alan

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Doug McIntyre mer...@geeks.org wrote: Then it was announced ready to move in, and we asked the procedure to get cross-connects from outside the facility in (really the whole point of even getting colo there). Oh no, you can't have a cross-connect. Umm, the

RE: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Eric Dugas
Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent:

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread TR Shaw
But what about us in Northwestern Ontario who can only get dialup, if that, from Bell? On Jun 26, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't

Re: Residential VSAT experiences?

2015-06-26 Thread shawn wilson
On Jun 22, 2015 6:14 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Two-way satellite systems based on SV's in geostationary orbit (like the two you're considering) have high latency. 22,000 miles out, another 22,000 miles back and do it again for the return packet. Just a minor nitpick - that's

Re: Level3 NOC Contact

2015-06-26 Thread Rafael Possamai
The portal should have some stats where you can do basic troubleshooting. It's really easy to get registered on the portal, you just need account number and customer name (which is scary, but go figure...). On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Michael Loftis mlof...@wgops.com wrote: AFAIK

Re: Residential VSAT experiences?

2015-06-26 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: If you want to nitpick. ;) Well, if you are going to nitpick, the earth is modeled more closely (but still not precisely) as an oblate spheroid than a true sphere.

Re: World's Fastest Inte rnet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Clayton Zekelman
They needed to do this. Rogers is already offering higher speeds. At 02:04 PM 26/06/2015, Hank Disuko wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™.

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread jim deleskie
Its mostly marketing, a number of years ago I worked for a cable co, we knew if we increased BW X we'd see a Y speed increase in usage. We also has done the math on several future generations of upgrades, so we'd know if phone company increases to A we'd move to B. I know the guy that did the

Re: Residential VSAT experiences?

2015-06-26 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:19 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 22, 2015 6:14 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Two-way satellite systems based on SV's in geostationary orbit (like the two you're considering) have high latency. 22,000 miles out, another 22,000 miles back

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Rafael Possamai
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment?

World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Hank Disuko
Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html

Weekly Routing Table Report

2015-06-26 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread mikea
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:30:05PM -0400, A MEKKAOUI wrote: Your right. Actually, Bell knows that home does not need that much BW, Bell size their network for much less than that. However, from a marketing perspective, when Bell says to a client I am offering you 1G at $100 and competition are

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less 10,000 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Jun/15 23:11, mikea wrote: Define need. On the average, I probably don't need more than 56 KBaud, integrated over all the years I've been linked to the 'Net from home. Would I be willing to put up with it? Hell, no! Would I be willing to put up with 10 Gig to the house for what I'm

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
On Jun 26, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Parkinson's law of sorts? Use expanding to fill the bandwidth available One kid with a torrent downloading random stuff, streaming hd and music off the internet etc and a family of four can make decent inroads into gigabit or so I would have thought Don't even start counting say a gb here and

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/26/2015 12:03 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: Personally I think it's pure marketing ... something I think we all know... I seen a few years back a FTTH development get completed using GPON - everything in the area got Full Gig Internet. Speedtest while I was onsite showed about 900Mb/s download

RE: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread A MEKKAOUI
Your right. Actually, Bell knows that home does not need that much BW, Bell size their network for much less than that. However, from a marketing perspective, when Bell says to a client I am offering you 1G at $100 and competition are offering you 30M at $60, some clients likes that because

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread mikea
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 01:06:26PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 26, 2015, at 13:02 , Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill.

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Randy Bush
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? we once asked how a home user would use 56kb, how anyone needed more than 640k in a pee cee, how we would need more than 32 bits in an address. the only thing not rising is water levels. except the ocean, that is. randy

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Clayton Zekelman
We recently had to pull some year over year statistics on consumption for a regulatory filing. In 2009, our average customer used 11G of data. This year it is 85G. In 5 years it could be 400G or more. What's worse is, OTT video means that consumption is more than likely going to be at

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread mikea
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:01:38PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less 10,000

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Robert Seastrom r...@rs.hmail.seastrom.com wrote: On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:34 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: I'm told second hand that when MCI/worldcom (now Verizon Business) controlled 8100 Boone Blvd (the early MAE-East) you had to buy a data circuit

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Like Peter Lothberg's mother's home :) --srs On 27-Jun-2015, at 12:22 am, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: And yes, fastest Internet in the world is pure BS, gigabit ethernet access to peoples homes have been around for years in other places

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 26 June 2015 at 11:04, Hank Disuko gourmetci...@hotmail.com wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html Only

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Brandon Ross
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't

RE: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Paul Stewart
Personally I think it's pure marketing ... something I think we all know... I seen a few years back a FTTH development get completed using GPON - everything in the area got Full Gig Internet. Speedtest while I was onsite showed about 900Mb/s download so pretty darn close (before they fully

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Karl Auer
On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest that single people or ordinary people or any other set of presumably

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 26, 2015, at 13:02 , Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote: Its mostly marketing, a number of years ago I worked for a cable co, we knew if we increased BW X we'd see a Y speed increase in usage. We also has done the math on several future generations of upgrades, so we'd know if phone company increases to A

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Landon Stewart
On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:40 AM, TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote: But what about us in Northwestern Ontario who can only get dialup, if that, from Bell? Seriously - write to your MP and MLA. Landon Stewart landonstew...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Rafael Possamai
That comment was made from a customer perspective (myself) while I wonder if I ever would wanna pay for it, although it seems like it's pretty cheap already. As an entrepreneur, business, etc... then yes, I agree. Shoot for the stars and land on the moon. :) On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Karl

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread Joe Hamelin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: . P.S. If there was any way to get a tour inside of there at least I'd totally sign a NDA for that. :) Never been inside, let alone near, a CO before. http://museumofcommunications.org/?page_id=12 -- Joe Hamelin,

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/26/2015 19:44, Joe Hamelin wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: . P.S. If there was any way to get a tour inside of there at least I'd totally sign a NDA for that. :) Never been inside, let alone near, a CO before.

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/26/2015 20:31, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 6/26/2015 19:44, Joe Hamelin wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: . P.S. If there was any way to get a tour inside of there at least I'd totally sign a NDA for that. :) Never been inside, let alone

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Jared Mauch
The issue here is economics. 1G hardware is cheap, as in sub-$100 for a 1G CPE with SMF in one side and RJ45 out the other. Even if you decide to limit yourself at 100m or similar, if you build it at the optics side, it is more expensive than building at 1G. Because of this, 1G is the most

Re: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Rafael Possamai
Good points. But just like I won't take more than one shower at a time, I probably won't watch more than one Netflix stream session at a time (assuming that for myself only). Downloading a large ISO image in seconds is definitely a plus, although at the office I never reach a steady 120MB/s from

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread John Musbach
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey for a tech job. To my astonishment, I discovered that there appears to be a

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread John Musbach
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a techie that recently moved to South

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread John Musbach
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach

Re: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Mark Andrews
In message cajb2g-h2cccqud7_bhpoydo+beysyzpy+js2p+hj6ruk0qx...@mail.gmail.com , Rafael Possamai writes: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't

The Cidr Report

2015-06-26 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jun 26 21:17:55 2015 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History

BGP Update Report

2015-06-26 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 18-Jun-15 -to- 25-Jun-15 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS9829 295162 5.8% 293.4 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone,IN 2 - AS11139

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Jun/15 23:56, Mark Andrews wrote: Unfortunately ISP's have made it about link speed rather than what it really is about because link speed was the limiting factor. When 1Gbps becomes mainstream to the home, I think it will stop being about link speed (well, for a while anyway, because

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Owen DeLong
It’s not just about the transfer rate, though. As has been noted, response times at peak congestion are definitely faster if you have more bandwidth. So if you’ve got 3 kids all wanting to stream different HD5k content, 50Mbits is going to get interesting. 100Mbps will probably handle it with

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Owen DeLong
10Gbps inside the home at an economical price for the phys means IP Multicast can finally be a viable alternative (replacement for) HDMI. No more will you connect one Blu-Ray player to One Amp to One TV. You’ll just connect them all to ethernet. Amps and TVs will have UIs which allow you to

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26 Jun 2015, at 15:04, Hank Disuko wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html Bell Canada is in the

Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?

2015-06-26 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 8:32 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey

RE: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Paul Stewart wrote: The interesting part was that the development consisted of 4400 active users the last time I heard but the bandwidth to upstream provider was still only a single GigE and was not hitting serious saturation levels most of the time. I'd say for any

ARIN just subdivided their last /17, /18, /19, /20, /21 and /22. Down to only /23s and /24s now. : ipv6

2015-06-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
And that's the ballgame. http://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/3b5p3i/arin_just_subdivided_their_last_1718192021_and_22/ -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: ARIN just subdivided their last /17, /18, /19, /20, /21 and /22. Down to only /23s and /24s now. : ipv6

2015-06-26 Thread tqr2813d376cjozqap1l
27. Jun 2015 03:06 by j...@baylink.com: And that's the ballgame. http://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/3b5p3i/arin_just_subdivided_their_last_1718192021_and_22 And here's to another eternity of shitty ISPs not implementing IPv6 because 'they have enough v4 already'.

Re: ARIN just subdivided their last /17, /18, /19, /20, /21 and /22. Down to only /23s and /24s now. : ipv6

2015-06-26 Thread William Astle
On 15-06-26 09:47 PM, tqr2813d376cjozqa...@tutanota.com wrote: 27. Jun 2015 03:06 by j...@baylink.com: And that's the ballgame. http://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/3b5p3i/arin_just_subdivided_their_last_1718192021_and_22 And here's to another eternity of shitty ISPs not implementing IPv6

Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland

2015-06-26 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
On 6/26/2015 7:26 PM, Joe Abley wrote: On 26 Jun 2015, at 15:04, Hank Disuko wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™.

Re: Thanks aws / gcc / azure

2015-06-26 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/23/15, 9:01 AM, NANOG on behalf of Ca By nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Since you have failed to achieve in the modest task that was your charge You now get this https://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1471 Time to watch this again:

Re: Thanks aws / gcc / azure

2015-06-26 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 26, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 6/23/15, 9:01 AM, NANOG on behalf of Ca By nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Since you have failed to achieve in the modest task that was your charge You now get this