Re: Fiber Costs [Was: Re: SoCal FIOS outage(?) / static IP readdressing]

2017-01-10 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jan 10, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > > Numbers for building fiber optic systems are out there if you do the > research. Joining the FTTH Council is a good start. One thing to recognise > is that the numbers vary widely based on what is being built and where it > is being b

Re: Fiber Costs [Was: Re: SoCal FIOS outage(?) / static IP readdressing]

2017-01-10 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
Numbers for building fiber optic systems are out there if you do the research. Joining the FTTH Council is a good start. One thing to recognise is that the numbers vary widely based on what is being built and where it is being built. There are large regional, technology, and product variations. Ver

Re: Soliciting your opinions on Internet routing: A survey on BGP convergence

2017-01-10 Thread Laurent Vanbever
Hi Joel, > On 10 Jan 2017, at 06:51, joel jaeggli wrote: > > On 1/9/17 2:56 PM, Laurent Vanbever wrote: >> Hi NANOG, >> >> We often read that the Internet (i.e. BGP) is "slow to converge". But how >> slow >> is it really? Do you care anyway? And can we (researchers) do anything about >> it? >

Re: Soliciting your opinions on Internet routing: A survey on BGP convergence

2017-01-10 Thread Laurent Vanbever
Dear Baldur, > I find that the type of outage that affects our network the most is neither > of the two options you describe. As is probably typical for smaller networks, > we do not have redundant uplinks to all of our transits. If a transit link > goes, for example because we had to reboot a

Re: Soliciting your opinions on Internet routing: A survey on BGP convergence

2017-01-10 Thread Mike Jones
On 10 January 2017 at 19:58, Job Snijders wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 03:51:04AM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote: >> If a transit link goes, for example because we had to reboot a router, >> traffic is supposed to reroute to the remaining transit links. >> Internally our network handles this fai

Re: Soliciting your opinions on Internet routing: A survey on BGP convergence

2017-01-10 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jan 10, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Hugo Slabbert wrote: > > > On Tue 2017-Jan-10 20:58:02 +0100, Job Snijders wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 03:51:04AM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote: >>> If a transit link goes, for example because we had to reboot a router, >>> traffic is supposed to reroute

Re: Soliciting your opinions on Internet routing: A survey on BGP convergence

2017-01-10 Thread Hugo Slabbert
On Tue 2017-Jan-10 20:58:02 +0100, Job Snijders wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 03:51:04AM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote: If a transit link goes, for example because we had to reboot a router, traffic is supposed to reroute to the remaining transit links. Internally our network handles this fai

Re: Soliciting your opinions on Internet routing: A survey on BGP convergence

2017-01-10 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 03:51:04AM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > If a transit link goes, for example because we had to reboot a router, > traffic is supposed to reroute to the remaining transit links. > Internally our network handles this fairly fast for egress traffic. > > However the problem is

RE: Soliciting your opinions on Internet routing: A survey on BGP convergence

2017-01-10 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
Hi Baldur, Have you tried graceful shutdown? You need redundant links, but not to the same transit. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-06 This draft is expired, but it is actually implemented by several vendors. I implemented this. http://www.slideshare.net/bduvivie/bgp-gracefu

Fiber Costs [Was: Re: SoCal FIOS outage(?) / static IP readdressing]

2017-01-10 Thread Leo Bicknell
I don't know about the rest of the list, but I find these numbers fascinating. There's probably not that many people who are allowed to share them, but if more could I think that would be educational for a lot of folks. In a message written on Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 08:37:19AM -0500, Jared Mauch

Re: Some standard of showing "this is how my network works"?

2017-01-10 Thread Wolfgang Tremmel
> On 9 Jan 2017, at 18:19, Mike Lund wrote: > > Is this such a thing anywhere? Try RIPE-Stat: https://stat.ripe.net best regards Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Tremmel Phone +49 69 1730902 26 | Fax +49 69 4056 2716 | Mobile +49 171 8600 816 | wolfgang.trem...@de-cix.net Geschae

IETF RTGWG interim meeting - Existing problems for routing in the large Data Centers and potential solutions

2017-01-10 Thread Jeff Tantsura
/RTGWG chair hat on Dear NANOG, For those, who might be interested, on January 25 we (IETF Routing Area RTGWG) will be having an interim online meeting, dedicated to Existing problems for routing in the large Data Centers and potential solutions. Presenters will be describing (15 minutes