Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 2019-11-25 20:26, Brandon Martin wrote: On 11/26/19 4:36 AM, Doug Barton wrote: I get that some people still don't like it, but the answer is IPv6. Or, folks can keep playing NAT games, etc. But one wonders at what point rolling out IPv6 costs less than all the fun you get with [CG]NAT.

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Brandon Martin
On 11/26/19 4:36 AM, Doug Barton wrote: I get that some people still don't like it, but the answer is IPv6. Or, folks can keep playing NAT games, etc. But one wonders at what point rolling out IPv6 costs less than all the fun you get with [CG]NAT. If it weren't for the ongoing need to

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 2019-11-25 1:47 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:46:52 +1100, Mark Andrews said: On 26 Nov 2019, at 03:53, Dmitry Sherman wrote:  I believe it’s Eyeball network’s matter to free IPv4 blocks and move to v6. It requires both sides to move to IPv6. Why should the

Re: Level 3/CL IP allocation contact

2019-11-25 Thread Justin Hammond
Since there were people who asked about the outcome: The tech contact email address (ipaddressing@level3) goes nowhere.  One of the admin contact emails (ipadmin@centurylink) got a response. They suggested I put in a trouble ticket instead of approaching it as an administrative task (which is

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Most eyeball networks (by organization count) don't have a /16 in the first place, much less one to give. Obviously something like 90% of the population is in the top 10 providers and the rest of the population is in the other several thousand providers. (Numbers are out of thin air, but

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:46:52 +1100, Mark Andrews said: > > On 26 Nov 2019, at 03:53, Dmitry Sherman wrote: > > > >  I believe it’s Eyeball network’s matter to free IPv4 blocks and > > move to v6. > It requires both sides to move to IPv6. Why should the cost of maintaining > working

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Doug Barton
The two things feed each other. Big content networks have had IPv6 for years now, and the mobile phone networks are primarily, if not exclusively IPv6 on the inside. Adding IPv6 now helps push the cycle forward, whether you are an eyeball, content, or other network. Doug On 11/25/19 11:50

AS12042 contact?

2019-11-25 Thread Bryan Holloway
If there's anyone from Consolidated (legacy Enventis) lurking, could you please reach out to me off-list? You're advertising a prefix from a Tier 1 to another Tier 1 which is causing occasional issues for us. E-mails to noc@ and repair@ have gone unanswered (and admittedly I'm not a direct

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Dmitry Sherman
Because we can’t only use ipv6 on the boxes, each box with ipv6 must have IPv4 until the last eyeball broadband user will have ipv6 support. Best regards, Dmitry Sherman Interhost Networks www.interhost.co.il dmi...@interhost.net Mob: 054-3181182 Sent from Steve's creature [X] On 25 Nov 2019,

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Mark Andrews
It requires both sides to move to IPv6. Why should the cost of maintaining working networks be borne alone by the eyeball networks? That is what is mostly happening today with CGN. Every server that offers services to the public should be making them available over IPv6. Most of the CDNs

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Mark Andrews
But IPv4 is ripe. You have just become accustomed to the stench of NAT that you don’t realise it. -- Mark Andrews > On 26 Nov 2019, at 05:31, Jeff Shultz wrote: > > Hard to say that something that is in full implementation and use is dead. > >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:21 AM Owen DeLong

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Scott Weeks
> RIPE isn’t dead… Just IPv4. --- jeffshu...@sctcweb.com wrote: From: Jeff Shultz Hard to say that something that is in full implementation and use is dead. --- Ok... In the process of dying a slow, painful, agonizing, brutal,

RE: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Nicholas Warren
I think the context was referring to RIPE's v4 space being dead. > > Hard to say that something that is in full implementation and use is dead. > > > > > RIPE isn’t dead… Just IPv4. > > > > Owen > > > > > > > > RIP RIPE > > >> > > >> Just received a mail that RIPE is out of IPv4:

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Jeff Shultz
Hard to say that something that is in full implementation and use is dead. On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:21 AM Owen DeLong wrote: > > RIPE isn’t dead… Just IPv4. > > Owen > > > > On Nov 25, 2019, at 08:03 , Ryland Kremeier > > wrote: > > > > RIP RIPE > > > > > > -Original Message- > >

RE: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Ryland Kremeier
RIP RIPE('s IPV4)* -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 11:19 AM To: Ryland Kremeier Cc: Andy Ringsmuth ; NANOG mailing list Subject: Re: RIPE our of IPv4 RIPE isn’t dead… Just IPv4. Owen > On Nov 25, 2019, at 08:03 , Ryland Kremeier > wrote: >

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Owen DeLong
RIPE isn’t dead… Just IPv4. Owen > On Nov 25, 2019, at 08:03 , Ryland Kremeier > wrote: > > RIP RIPE > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:58 AM > To: NANOG mailing list > Subject: Re: RIPE our of IPv4 > > > >>

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Dmitry Sherman
I believe it’s Eyeball network’s matter to free IPv4 blocks and move to v6. Best regards, Dmitry Sherman [X] On 25 Nov 2019, at 18:08, Billy Crook wrote:  Huh. I guess we get to go home early today then? And look into that whole "Aye Pee Vee Sicks" thing next week aye boss? On Mon, Nov

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Tei
Thanks I am lurking on this mail list. Sometimes is hard to decipher whats goin on. Always interesting. You guys are awesome. On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > I think it is less historic than when IANA ran out of blocks to > delegate to the regional registries. >

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Billy Crook
Huh. I guess we get to go home early today then? And look into that whole "Aye Pee Vee Sicks" thing next week aye boss? On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:58 AM Dmitry Sherman wrote: > Just received a mail that RIPE is out of IPv4: > > Dear colleagues, > > Today, at 15:35 UTC+1 on 25 November 2019, we

RE: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Ryland Kremeier
RIP RIPE -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:58 AM To: NANOG mailing list Subject: Re: RIPE our of IPv4 > On Nov 25, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Dmitry Sherman wrote: > > Just received a mail that RIPE is out of IPv4: > > Dear

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
> On Nov 25, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Dmitry Sherman wrote: > > Just received a mail that RIPE is out of IPv4: > > Dear colleagues, > > Today, at 15:35 UTC+1 on 25 November 2019, we made our final /22 IPv4 > allocation from the last remaining addresses in our available pool. We have > now run

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Donald Eastlake
I think it is less historic than when IANA ran out of blocks to delegate to the regional registries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion Thanks, Donald === Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA

Re: RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Tei
Nice! Is this what I think it is?a historical moment for the internet for the story books? On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 15:59, Dmitry Sherman wrote: > > Just received a mail that RIPE is out of IPv4: > > Dear colleagues, > > Today, at 15:35 UTC+1 on 25 November 2019, we made our final /22 IPv4 >

RIPE our of IPv4

2019-11-25 Thread Dmitry Sherman
Just received a mail that RIPE is out of IPv4: Dear colleagues, Today, at 15:35 UTC+1 on 25 November 2019, we made our final /22 IPv4 allocation from the last remaining addresses in our available pool. We have now run out of IPv4 addresses. Best regards, Dmitry Sherman Interhost Networks