Re: FCC ... [REALLY new laws US passed today (19/12/2019)]

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 6:10 PM Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > > > Both TRACED and TRUE were passed by both houses today and are expected to be > signed by the current POTUS because of the bipartisan support. > > The Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence (TRACED) > Act

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Didn't you all send a similar message last week? with zero details about destinations being 'attacaked'? and without any follow-up information when requested multiple times? On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 7:35 PM ahmed.dala...@hrins.net wrote: > > Sent. Thank you Damian! > > On Dec 20, 2019, at 1:21

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

> Plus if it didn't work well/too cumbersome/etc with email, it probably > won't be any better with voice. We have lots of experience with what > doesn't work for email. I sort of figured that the shaken/stir model that ( i happened to propose in their first meeting) of: "get the originator

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 6:52 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 19:07, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:02:42 -0700, "Keith Medcalf" said: That stupid people do stupid things has no bearing on me. If there is a legal requirement for these people to be "notifying"

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RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 19:07, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: >On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:02:42 -0700, "Keith Medcalf" said: >> That stupid people do stupid things has no bearing on me. If there is >> a legal requirement for these people to be "notifying" then they are >> required to notify. >>

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:02:42 -0700, "Keith Medcalf" said: > That stupid people do stupid things has no bearing on me. If there is a > legal requirement for these people to be "notifying" then they are required to > notify. > I do not want to receive robocalls period. End of Line. No

Re: Google

Sent. Thank you Damian! > On Dec 20, 2019, at 1:21 AM, Damian Menscher wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 2:08 PM ahmed.dala...@hrins.net > > wrote: > Pleas I need someone from google security operations center to contact me >

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

This, of course, will do no good. These so called "Robocalls" are exactly that. They generate a random number to call and play the silly canned message. If you press whatever the code is to talk to the idiots, they then hand off the call to a call center. You should ALWAYS talk to the

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

Perhaps list the phone number of your representatives or your state attorney general's office in your domain contact info. On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 5:28 PM wrote: > > If you want to end robocalls then every time you get one call your > local congress person's or senator's main phone number and

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

If you want to end robocalls then every time you get one call your local congress person's or senator's main phone number and say "I just got another robocall (perhaps characterizing it like 'for auto warranties' or 'for IRS fraud')". Everyone. Every time. -- -Barry Shein Software

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 3:15 PM wrote: > > > They should be fining the telcos, they're making a lot of money on > these calls. > > And if you believe otherwise (e.g., that it's like email spam) you've > been duped by telco PR. > > Unlike spam when was the last time a telco failed to bill you for

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 6:11 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: They should be fining the telcos, they're making a lot of money on these calls. And if you believe otherwise (e.g., that it's like email spam) you've been duped by telco PR. Unlike spam when was the last time a telco failed to bill you for a

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

They should be fining the telcos, they're making a lot of money on these calls. And if you believe otherwise (e.g., that it's like email spam) you've been duped by telco PR. Unlike spam when was the last time a telco failed to bill you for a billable phone call? Never. They know exactly who

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

As long as that tactical air strike uses MIRV nuclear warheads so none of the little f*ckers get away ... -- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. >-Original Message- >From: NANOG On Behalf Of >Jeff Shultz

Re: FCC ... [REALLY new laws US passed today (19/12/2019)]

Both TRACED and TRUE were passed by both houses today and are expected to be signed by the current POTUS because of the bipartisan support. The Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence (TRACED) Act (S. 151)

Re: routeviews.org need someone to contact me

Hi Mehmet, Sorry for the delayed response. The last few weeks have been very busy for the Route Views support staff. We recognize that Route Views is an important resource for the NANOG community, and will strive to be more responsive going forward.  I'll be reaching out to you shortly to address

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 14:02, Michael Homas wrote: >There are robocalls that you want to get. Here in california, our >wonderful electric company sends out robocalls when they are going to >cut our electricity so they don't get blamed for burning down cities >(and then still manage to

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 2:56 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote: Plus if it didn't work well/too cumbersome/etc with email, it probably won't be any better with voice. We have lots of experience with what doesn't work for email. I really do not care. It

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote: >Plus if it didn't work well/too cumbersome/etc with email, it probably >won't be any better with voice. We have lots of experience with what >doesn't work for email. I really do not care. It is my e-mail server. It is my telephone.

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 13:59:00 -0800, Jeff Shultz said: > I've occasionally thought that a tactical air strike on a couple of > call centers might just convince the others of the errors of their > ways. Having a US-owned A10 strafe a Philippines-based call center is probably a bad idea

Re: Google

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 2:08 PM ahmed.dala...@hrins.net < ahmed.dala...@hrins.net> wrote: > Pleas I need someone from google security operations center to contact me > offlist. I couldn't reach them by google ISP portal. > If this is about the DDoS you think you're seeing from our IPs, feel free

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Pleas I need someone from google security operations center to contact me offlist. I couldn't reach them by google ISP portal. Best Regards, Ahmed

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:46 PM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > [ Re-sent with proper headers. My apologies for the typo'd previous version. > ] > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:34:48AM -0800, William Herrin wrote: > > I don't want to start an arms race with the spam callers, I want to > > end it. That

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

[ Re-sent with proper headers. My apologies for the typo'd previous version. ] On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:34:48AM -0800, William Herrin wrote: > I don't want to start an arms race with the spam callers, I want to > end it. That means: jump directly to something they can't easily > defeat. It is

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

There are laws against many of these SPAM calls today. I suppose the agencies that are responsible for prosecuting these could answer some of their SPAM calls to see who was calling. Same thing with SPAM faxes, we didn't get a technical fix, just used the law against anyone who tried. Fax

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 1:09 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Bcc: Subject: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:34:48AM -0800, William Herrin wrote: I don't want to start an arms race with the spam callers, I want to end it. That means: jump directly to something they can't easily defeat. It is

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Bcc: Subject: Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls Reply-To: In-Reply-To: On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:34:48AM -0800, William Herrin wrote: > I don't want to start an arms race with the spam callers, I want to > end it. That means: jump directly to something they can't easily

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 11:27 AM, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 11:02 -0800, William Herrin wrote: I call your phone number. Your phone company compares my number against your whitelist. Ring through on match. If no match, "You have reached Name. Press 2 to leave a message. Press 3 to

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 11:34 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:27 AM Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 11:02 -0800, William Herrin wrote: I call your phone number. Your phone company compares my number against your whitelist. Ring through on match. If no match, "You have

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 8:16 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: How is it envisioned that this will work? I mean, I'm all for less spam calling... and ideally there would be some form of 'source address verification' on the PSTN/phone network... but in today's world that really just doesn't exist and the

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On top of that, there's also the issue of many telcos deciding that, no, you can't just shove whatever you want on the wire, it needs to be a DID and name registered on your trunk... unless you pay us an extra fee per month and say you'll be good, then you can spoof to your heart's content. As

Re: routeviews.org need someone to contact me

If anyone actually manages to get in touch with someone there, it would be awesome if they could let the list know. I too have been trying for some time to get in touch with someone at Routes Views. On 2019-12-18 8:17 p.m., Mehmet Akcin wrote: Same here On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 16:11 Kaiser,

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thursday, 19 December, 2019 12:54, Dan Hollis wrote: >Fact is the telcos make lots of money off spoofed robocalls so they have >zero incentive to stop the practice. That is an easy one to solve. The telco simply needs to provide a free "Call Screening" service that you can activate on

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

Fact is the telcos make lots of money off spoofed robocalls so they have zero incentive to stop the practice. -Dan On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Keith Medcalf wrote: "CallerID" is a misnomer. It is actually the "Advertized ID". However, the telco's realized you would not pay to receive

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:27 AM Brian J. Murrell wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 11:02 -0800, William Herrin wrote: > > > > I call your phone number. > > Your phone company compares my number against your whitelist. Ring > > through on match. > > If no match, "You have reached Name. Press 2 to

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 11:02 -0800, William Herrin wrote: > > I call your phone number. > Your phone company compares my number against your whitelist. Ring > through on match. > If no match, "You have reached Name. Press 2 to leave a message. > Press > 3 to enter your code. Press 0 or stay on the

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Ah crap. Sorry for the noise folks. I didn't catch the return address before I hit send. On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:05 AM William Herrin wrote: > Would you please unsubscribe your address from the nanog mailing list? > -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us

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Would you please unsubscribe your address from the nanog mailing list? On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:05 AM nanog@nanog.org wrote: > __ > Vänligen skriv endast ovanför denna markering när du svarar på meddelandet. > Hej Andreas Ott, > Tack för din fråga! > > Vi har

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:25 AM Brandon Martin wrote: > Further, it's entirely normal and perfectly legitimate (to varying > degrees) for an outfit to purport in CID a number that is not directly > assigned to them nor which will actually result in a callback being > routed to them. Hi Brandon,

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

"CallerID" is a misnomer. It is actually the "Advertized ID". However, the telco's realized you would not pay to receive advertizing so they renamed it to something they thought you would pay for. Pretty canny business model eh? And apparently y'all fell for it, thinking it was related to

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On 12/19/19 12:09 PM, Andreas Ott wrote: I have also been told that there is no equivalent of uRPF in the phone world. This is the biggest issue, and unfortunately (and my knowledge of the PSTN is admittedly a bit lacking, here), there's likely no good way to add it. Calls on the PSTN are

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:16:08AM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: > How is it envisioned that this will work? My prediction for 2020: it still won't work, like in 2019 and the years before that. A call originated, transported and delivered equals revenue for all involved parties, so it is in

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

How is it envisioned that this will work? I mean, I'm all for less spam calling... and ideally there would be some form of 'source address verification' on the PSTN/phone network... but in today's world that really just doesn't exist and the motivations to suppress fake sources are 'just as good'

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

~ $204 per spoofed call. On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 10:09 AM Kain, Becki (.) wrote: > Would be nice to have these stopped. I received 10 of them yesterday, > pretending to be apple icloud support > > > > *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of *Javier J > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:38 PM > *To:*

RE: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

Would be nice to have these stopped. I received 10 of them yesterday, pretending to be apple icloud support From: NANOG On Behalf Of Javier J Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:38 PM To: Sean Donelan Cc: nanog Subject: Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls It is so bad