Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Totally agree with you there, I run a mail server/monitoring server on OVH. With TLSA records, DKIM, and MTA-STS, I’ll still see junk filters on it if I accidentally email someone other than myself. Yes my space has been SWIP’d and I send so low email volume so it’s reputation would be

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread John R. Levine
Most DNS registers avoid verifying customer information as long as the payment clears (for a short time). DKIM (and DNSSEC) is built on top of trusting tokens from third-parties which disclaim all liability. Right. The only promise that DKIM makes is that if you have a stream of mail signed

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/7/20 3:53 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sat, 7 Mar 2020, John Levine wrote: This must be some DKIM other than the one the IETF standardized and every large mail provider uses to manage mail streams.  There's no CA's, you publish your own verification key in your DNS, and it costs nothing

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sat, 7 Mar 2020, John Levine wrote: This must be some DKIM other than the one the IETF standardized and every large mail provider uses to manage mail streams. There's no CA's, you publish your own verification key in your DNS, and it costs nothing beyond the software upgrades to use. Most

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread John Levine
In article you write: > >Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam? No, but signatures have helped so you can more easily identify known friends and concentrate the analysis on the rest. >DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email This must be some DKIM other than

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/7/20 11:54 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam? Extended Validation SSL Certificates - Just pay a Certificate Authority more money DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email SWIFT encrypted payments - Just find the weakest

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Sean Donelan
Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam? Extended Validation SSL Certificates - Just pay a Certificate Authority more money DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email SWIFT encrypted payments - Just find the weakest bank somewhere in the world

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 1:11 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > > On 3/7/20 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: > >> > >> On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell > >>> wrote: > >>> >

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/7/20 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote: So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they surely know who they

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: > > > On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell > > wrote: > > > >> So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they > >> surely know who they are, or at least know

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls (fwd)

2020-03-07 Thread John R. Levine
In article , Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote: > So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they > surely know who they are, or at least know where they are sending the > bill and getting payment from. You are mistaken,

Anyone from Verisign J root on the list?

2020-03-07 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Hello, Was wondering if there's anyone from Verisign managing the J root? Can you please contact me offlist. I am facing issue with consistent ICMP filtering on "rootns-lcy3" since last couple of weeks. Thanks -- Anurag Bhatia anuragbhatia.com

Anyone from EDGECASTCDN / Verizon Media on the list?

2020-03-07 Thread Dmitry Sherman
Hello, Anyone from EDGECASTCDN / Verizon Media on the list? We are facing network reachability issues from EDGECASTCDN to our network. Please contact off-list if possible. Thanks. -- Dmitry Sherman Interhost Networks Ltd

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

2020-03-07 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote: So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they surely know who they are, or at least know where they are sending the bill and getting payment from. You are mistaken,