Re: Issues with deliverability to hotmail -- any Microsoft contacts?

2020-07-21 Thread Mark Milhollan
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020, Brock Tice wrote: We have been having issues delivering email to [...] You should probably join the mailop list. We have repeatedly requested removal of our subnet from their block list and it has not worked. You will eventually be conversing with a person if you

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 21/Jul/20 22:20, Nick Hilliard wrote: > >> >> IOW, it works if you have a large and homogeneous enough network with >> a sufficiently narrowly product portfolio that you can justify the >> cost of getting enough programming

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:55 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > For the avoidance of doubt, "we still don't know what SDN means to us" > means "we are not sold on the snake oil". Hi Mark, I suppose it depends what you're trying to accomplish. If you're a hosting provider and you want to provide a

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On 21/Jul/20 22:20, Nick Hilliard wrote:   > > IOW, it works if you have a large and homogeneous enough network with > a sufficiently narrowly product portfolio that you can justify the > cost of getting enough programming skill to make the cost/benefit > ratio work. > > Some networks are like

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On 21/Jul/20 21:21, William Herrin wrote: > The Software Defined Network concept started as, "Let's use commodity > hardware running commodity operating systems to form the control plane > for our network devices." The concept has expanded somewhat to: "Lets > use commodity hardware running

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Robert Raszuk
Bill, > The Software Defined Network concept started as, "Let's use commodity > hardware running commodity operating systems to form the control plane > for our network devices." That's not exactly the real beginning ... the above is more like oh where do we plug this SDN into and how do we sell

Re: Issues with deliverability to hotmail -- any Microsoft contacts?

2020-07-21 Thread Brock Tice
Many times. I get a weird auto-response after a couple days that doesn't make any sense and then nothing else happens. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:51 PM Tony Wicks wrote: > Have you used this form? I feel your pain. > > > > >

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mel Beckman
Nick, SDN works very well even for tiny networks. Look at Ubiquiti’s SDN controller. Yes, it requires proprietary hardware (proving SDN isn’t only for commodity hardware). But it can scale a network of a single switch up to hundreds of switches with a single point of configuration. You want a

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mel Beckman
Brandon, The problem is your door is stuck in 2014 :) A lot has happened in the last six years. -mel via cell > On Jul 21, 2020, at 10:26 AM, "adamv0...@netconsultings.com" > wrote: > >  >> >> From: Mark Tinka >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:14 PM >> >>> On 21/Jul/20 18:39,

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Nick Hilliard
William Herrin wrote on 21/07/2020 20:21: This is happening a lot in the big shops like Amazon that can afford to employ software developers to write purpose-built network code. IOW, it works if you have a large and homogeneous enough network with a sufficiently narrowly product portfolio

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:57 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > Suffice it to say, to this day, we still don't know what SDN means to > us, hehe. Hi Mark, The Software Defined Network concept started as, "Let's use commodity hardware running commodity operating systems to form the control plane for our

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On 21/Jul/20 19:26, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Well "I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through > it." ;) You misunderstand me, Adam. I am not averse to learning new things. What I am saying is I've spent 10 years on this road, and the summaries you

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Brandon Martin
On 7/21/20 12:55 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: Suffice it to say, to this day, we still don't know what SDN means to us, hehe. I think that's part of the problem. It means too many different things to different people. Much of what people refer to SDN is useful, albeit often pre-existing before

RE: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread adamv0025
> From: Mark Tinka > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:14 PM > > On 21/Jul/20 18:39, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > > Little you two know about SDN, please read the following presentation > from Scott Shenker and then get back here arguing what it is and what it is > not:

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On 21/Jul/20 18:39, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Little you two know about SDN, please read the following presentation from > Scott Shenker and then get back here arguing what it is and what it is not: > https://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs168/fa14/lectures/lec23-public.pdf I'll pass,

RE: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread adamv0025
> William Herrin > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:02 PM > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:09 AM Mark Tinka > wrote: > > We'll probably spend 95% of the time just talking about who they are, > > and 5% on the role. That has worked well for me in the past decade, > > and none of those hires had any

RE: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread adamv0025
Little you two know about SDN, please read the following presentation from Scott Shenker and then get back here arguing what it is and what it is not: https://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs168/fa14/lectures/lec23-public.pdf adam

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Ben Cannon
I come from the “we’ve had SDN for years, it’s called L2VPN” but I guess the rest of the world hasn’t been a carrier for 26yrs either. -Ben Ms. Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On 21/Jul/20 17:43, Mel Beckman wrote: > Have any of those operators shipped an SDM product? If not, then of > course, they are pre-SDN. Just like NASA is pre-commercial space > launch :-) It never occurred to me that SDN was the service provider product. Dang, we've been doing it all wrong

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mel Beckman
Have any of those operators shipped an SDM product? If not, then of course, they are pre-SDN. Just like NASA is pre-commercial space launch :-) -mel via cell On Jul 21, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:  On 21/Jul/20 16:59, Mel Beckman wrote: But SDN is NOT just ""SDN = some kind of

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On 21/Jul/20 16:59, Mel Beckman wrote: > > But SDN is NOT just ""SDN = some kind of automation””. Its centralized > management with /good /automation built-in. Good automation means > automation that orchestrates cohesive, correct network changes — and > can roll them back — not just scripts

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Mel Beckman
Mark, But SDN is NOT just ""SDN = some kind of automation””. Its centralized management with good automation built-in. Good automation means automation that orchestrates cohesive, correct network changes — and can roll them back — not just scripts that can spew configs into individual devices.

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

2020-07-21 Thread Nathan Stratton
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sander Steffann wrote: > > I find there's a strong INVERSE correlation between the quantity of > > certificates on an applicant's resume and their ability to do the > > job. > > Never got a certificate, don't want one either :) > That's what I said about high