Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 09:48:25AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote: > I miss weather underground before it became slow as molasses with > openstreetmap and other things. As do I, and the demise of uswx.com took away one of the alternatives. I spent some time earlier this year unsuccessfully trying to

Re: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 18:56:04 -0500, Max Harmony via NANOG said: > Programs have never done what you *want* them to do, only what you = > *tell* them to do. Amen to that - there was the time many moons ago when we launched a copy of a vendor's network monitoring system, and told it to

Re: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread Max Harmony via NANOG
> On 10 Dec 2020, at 18.11, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > > Let me know when a program will rewrite itself and add its own features ... > then we may have a problem... otherwise they only do what you want them to do. Programs have never done what you *want* them to do, only what you *tell*

Re: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
Let me know when a program will rewrite itself and add its own features ... then we may have a problem... otherwise they only do what you want them to do. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread John Levine
In article you write: > >> On Dec 10, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> This is either some kind of bizarre political maneuver, or bureaucrats at >> NWS need to be seriously fired and replaced with competent >people who‘s tech jobs have been waylaid by Covid. > >Not bizarre at all.

RE: Woefully outdated Verizon & Lumen ARIN whois/SWIP data

2020-12-10 Thread na...@jima.us
All, Just to close to loop on this thread, I received the following, out-of-band: 1. Several sympathies (no real surprise) 2. A response from a kind soul at Verizon, who was able to direct my inquiry to the right person, who had those assignments zapped very quickly 3. A response from Lumen --

Re: 95th billing and automation

2020-12-10 Thread Eric Kuhnke
'cacti' isn't really a monolithic thing. Ultimately it's a gui front end for rra files and rrdtool. If one chooses not to go down the route of disk space intensive but lossless time series database interface metric storage (influxdb or similar), we are talking about what level of detail is lost

Re: 95th billing and automation

2020-12-10 Thread Ray Van Dolson via NANOG
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 02:28:39PM -0500, Jason Canady wrote: > We use rtg2, which stores data in MySQL. I use PHP to calculate > percentiles. It allows for most flexibility. > > > > > On Dec 10, 2020, at 13:29, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > > > > hi there, > > > > i have asked about this in the

Re: 95th billing and automation

2020-12-10 Thread Jason Canady
We use rtg2, which stores data in MySQL. I use PHP to calculate percentiles. It allows for most flexibility. > > On Dec 10, 2020, at 13:29, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > >  > hi there, > > i have asked about this in the past. What is the best tool out there to do > 95th percentile billing. I

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:14 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key > > data > > The National Weather Service is proposing to place limits on accessing its > > life-saving weather data in a bid to fix Internet outages. > > By Jason

Re: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread Mel Beckman
Jeez... some guys seem to take a joke literally - while ignoring a real and present danger - which was the point. Miles, With all due respect, you didn’t present this as a joke. You presented "AI self-healing systems gone wild” as a genuine risk. Which it isn’t. In fact, AI fear mongering is

95th billing and automation

2020-12-10 Thread Mehmet Akcin
hi there, i have asked about this in the past. What is the best tool out there to do 95th percentile billing. I have decided to use observium and librenms as result of responses but there seems to be some kind of billing module issue with these tools (thy are basically the same code). What are

Re: OpenNMS, openstreetmap, geocoding APIs and SNMP

2020-12-10 Thread Frederik Kriewitz
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:28 AM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Method 2 (backwards compatible, possibly an improvement): Treat the 255 > character sysLocation field as a rudimentary three column CSV file with pipe > delimiters. Put the standard human readable description of the node location > in the

Re: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ahh invasive spambots, running on OpenStack ... "the telephone bell is tolling... " Miles adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Automated resource discovery + automated resource allocation = recipe for disaster That is literally how OpenStack works. For now, don’t worry about AI

RE: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread adamv0025
> Automated resource discovery + automated resource allocation = recipe for > disaster That is literally how OpenStack works. For now, don’t worry about AI taking away your freedom on its own, rather worry about how people using it might… adam From: NANOG On Behalf Of Miles

Re: Fwd: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rich Kulawiec wrote: - Forwarded message from Dave Farber - From: Dave Farber Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 15:47:44 +0900 Subject: [IP] Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > > Simply get rid of the gigabytes of JavaScript and stupidly designed crap > and hire someone who knows what they are doing and a bandwidth DOWNGRADE > will be in order. The root cause is incompetence and it can be fixed by > getting

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Tom Beecher
I would say it's likely much larger. https://twitter.com/CoasterBGW/status/1336387160220569603/photo/1 Their design is to run everything from one datacenter? I am enjoying the level of irony that the rest of us consider catastrophic weather events in our datacenter planning, but the NWS does

Re: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Put them together, and the nightmare scenario is: > - machine learning algorithm detects need for more resources All good so far > - machine learning algorithm makes use of vulnerability analysis library > to find other systems with resources to spare, and

RE: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Keith Medcalf
Simply get rid of the gigabytes of JavaScript and stupidly designed crap and hire someone who knows what they are doing and a bandwidth DOWNGRADE will be in order. The root cause is incompetence and it can be fixed by getting rid of all the children and hiring someone who knows what they are

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Daniel Seagraves
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > This is either some kind of bizarre political maneuver, or bureaucrats at NWS > need to be seriously fired and replaced with competent people who‘s tech jobs > have been waylaid by Covid. Not bizarre at all. NWS directly competes with

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Mark Tinka
I've got plenty of spare capacity in Kenya - I can give them a couple of Gbps for just US$1,000/month :-). _classic_ Mark. On 12/10/20 15:27, Mel Beckman wrote: Something is stupidly wrong here. From a non-paywallled article (WaPo blocks me from reading its content):

RE: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread adamv0025
> Put them together, and the nightmare scenario is: > - machine learning algorithm detects need for more resources All good so far > - machine learning algorithm makes use of vulnerability analysis library > to find other systems with resources to spare, and starts attaching > those resources

Re: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Mel Beckman
Something is stupidly wrong here. From a non-paywallled article (WaPo blocks me from reading its content): https://newsbeezer.com/aus/the-national-weather-service-is-facing-a-lack-of-internet-bandwidth-and-is-proposing-access-restrictions/ ——— The weather service hosted a public forum on

OpenNMS, openstreetmap, geocoding APIs and SNMP

2020-12-10 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Anyone that has used a recent version of OpenNMS has probably noticed that the default home page view now includes an openstreetmap based view of node/device status, by geographical location. Section 18.3 here: https://docs.opennms.org/opennms/releases/latest/guide-admin/guide-admin.html

Re: The Real AI Threat?

2020-12-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:34:33AM +, Mel Beckman wrote: > So don???t be fooled by Siri and Google voice response. There is no > intellect there, only pattern matching. Which we???ve been doing with > machines since the Jacquard Loom. On this particular point: many years ago, some of us at

Fwd: Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data

2020-12-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
- Forwarded message from Dave Farber - > From: Dave Farber > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 15:47:44 +0900 > Subject: [IP] Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes > limiting key data > > Weather Service faces Internet bandwidth shortage, proposes limiting key data > The