Re: internet futures

2021-03-26 Thread bzs
The video is pretty good particularly where it's most pessimistic. My prediction: It might take a little more than ten years but I'll predict positive ID or you're not getting anywhere useful. And a lot of people here will loathe that. But you/we had your chance and spent most of your

Re: IP reputation lookup (prefix not single IP)

2021-03-26 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Mar 26, 2021, at 8:20 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Hi, > Also keep in mind that "most blocklists" is meaningless. Any moron can > run a blocklist, any many morons do. The vast majority of blockists > are used by close to nobody, and only handful are widely enough used > to

Re: IP reputation lookup (prefix not single IP)

2021-03-26 Thread John Levine
It appears that Elvis Daniel Velea said: >There are a handful of blocklists that will list the whole block (that >may be a /24 or even a /16) - Spamhaus is an example. No, they don't. Spamhaus may expand a listing to a /24 or bigger when they see a pattern of abuse from a network but the SBL

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/26/21 3:31 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 3/26/21 23:30, b...@uu3.net wrote: Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they are not missing anything.. Internet become a consumer product where data is provided by large corporations similary to TV now. Your avarage Joe consumer does NOT care about NAT

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/26/21 2:00 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: There are more smart phones in use in the world today the world than can be addressed by IPv4. Complaining about lack of IPv6 deployment has been legitimate for a long time. Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes shouldn’t have to deploy NATs.

RE: Google IP Geolocation

2021-03-26 Thread Michael K. Spears
Awesome, I think I’ve figured out the Google ISP portal signup, but it definitely seems semi-complicated in a way, notably finding the link… Thank you, Michael K. Spears 727.656.3347 From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:30 PM To: Michael K. Spears Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re:

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 23:30, b...@uu3.net wrote: Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they are not missing anything.. Internet become a consumer product where data is provided by large corporations similary to TV now. Your avarage Joe consumer does NOT care about NAT and that he cant run services or he

Re: Google IP Geolocation

2021-03-26 Thread Mike Hammett
We're working on a video to show people how to sign up for the ISP portal and get to that part of the portal once signed up. We'll drop a link to it near the Google section of our geolocation page. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 23:00, Mark Andrews wrote: There are more smart phones in use in the world today the world than can be addressed by IPv4. Complaining about lack of IPv6 deployment has been legitimate for a long time. Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes shouldn’t have to deploy NATs.

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 22:12, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: Ten years from now? Easy. We’ll still be talking about the continued shortage of IPv4 address space and (legitimately) complaining about why IPv6 still isn’t the default addressing/routing methodology for the Internet worldwide. Thankfully, the

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Lukas Tribus
Hi Bill, On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 22:16, William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:42 PM Lukas Tribus wrote: > > In production, you may be able to troubleshoot this a few months from > > now, but how will the on-duty junior engineer handle this at 03 AM? > > Hi Lukas, > > In the

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 21:42, Michael Thomas wrote: So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years from now. The last 10 years were all about phones and apps, but that's pretty well played out by now. Gratuitously networked devices like my dishwasher will probably be common, but

RE: Google IP Geolocation

2021-03-26 Thread Michael K. Spears
Sweet, that’s massively helpful. I just found the link to request access to the Google ISP portal. Thank you, Michael K. Spears From: Brendan Halley Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 6:18 PM To: Michael K. Spears Subject: Re: Google IP Geolocation Hey, Google ISP portal is your best bet. Can do

Google IP Geolocation

2021-03-26 Thread Michael K. Spears
Anyone have a good contact at Google who can help with IP geolocation? I have a /24 where anything related to Google is in the wrong language. Thank you, Michael K. Spears

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Robert L Mathews
On 3/26/21 2:00 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes shouldn’t have to >deploy NATs. Businesses shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. But NATs are good: https://youtu.be/v26BAlfWBm8 (Since we're speaking of things from ~10 years ago...!) -- Robert L Mathews, Tiger

MS Teams orig/term carrier?

2021-03-26 Thread Adam Thompson
Despite having worked for an ILEC in network ops for 10yrs, I can't figure out how to answer this without an SS7 sniffer (which I obviously no longer have, nor access to an SSP or SCP). What 3rd-party carrier(s), if any, does Microsoft use to originate & terminate MS Teams-to-PSTN voice calls

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread borg
Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they are not missing anything.. Internet become a consumer product where data is provided by large corporations similary to TV now. Your avarage Joe consumer does NOT care about NAT and that he cant run services or he does NOT have full e2e communication. Yes, you

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 1:42 PM Lukas Tribus wrote: > In production, you may be able to troubleshoot this a few months from > now, but how will the on-duty junior engineer handle this at 03 AM? Hi Lukas, In the network Vom describes, he is surely the only network engineer. I would agree that it

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Andrews
There are more smart phones in use in the world today the world than can be addressed by IPv4. Complaining about lack of IPv6 deployment has been legitimate for a long time. Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Businesses shouldn’t have to deploy NATs.

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Lukas Tribus
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 20:01, William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:07 AM vom513 wrote: > > As I said in the tl;dr - my main point of contention here is breaking up my > > /24 I.e. use the very top /30s / /31s for ptp/loop. I would then have at > > most the bottom /25 to use

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Blake Hudson
On 3/26/2021 3:27 PM, Lukas Tribus wrote: Another alternative is to use the actual user interface to get your iBGP across, which is publicly addressed. I think this may actually be the best solution proposed so far. iBGP (as spec'd by the op) can be setup between the WAN, LAN, loopback, or

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Lukas Tribus
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 20:21, William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM Blake Hudson wrote: > > And here I almost went as far as to suggest unnumbered IPs you're > > plan is... well... diabolical in comparison. > > Hi Blake, > > I aim to please. I really wish the router

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
> On 3/26/21 12:26 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: >> If the last decade is anything to go by, I'm keen to see what the next one >> brings. >> Mark. >> > > > So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years from > now. The last 10 years were all about phones and apps, but that's

FCC seeks information about wireless service provider's disaster prepardness

2021-03-26 Thread Sean Donelan
The same FCC which keeps outage reports secret from the public (and congress?), is seeking information about wireless service provider's safety measures during disasters. https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-21-362A1.pdf How have mobile wireless service providers addressed and improved

10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/26/21 12:26 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: If the last decade is anything to go by, I'm keen to see what the next one brings. Mark. So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years from now. The last 10 years were all about phones and apps, but that's pretty well played

Re: internet futures

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 19:58, Randy Bush wrote: in 2010, the internet society made some videos on possible internet futures ten years out, i.e. nowish. nothing spot on, but themes can be seen for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4zfGwctGc The production style alone takes me back. I never

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM Blake Hudson wrote: > And here I almost went as far as to suggest unnumbered IPs you're > plan is... well... diabolical in comparison. Hi Blake, I aim to please. I really wish the router vendors supported a statically configured "ICMP error from" address

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Blake Hudson
On 3/26/2021 2:01 PM, William Herrin wrote: If you feel like getting fancy... Use /32 routes to reclaim the unused base and broadcast address in any /30s Pick the next largest size block that has your /24 neither at the start or end and assign that to your lan. Use proxy arp and more

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Tom Beecher
> > i take real addresses out of the /24 for p2p > i take 1918 addresses for ibgp loopbacks > This. On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 2:22 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > tl;dr - If I only have a /24 PI - is there any way to use this and not > > “chop it up / deagg” to use for ptp/loopbacks ? > > i take real

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:07 AM vom513 wrote: > As I said in the tl;dr - my main point of contention here is breaking up my > /24 I.e. use the very top /30s / /31s for ptp/loop. I would then have at > most the bottom /25 to use contig. on my “lan” - and I would need to use the > next /26,

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Blake Hudson
On 3/26/2021 12:01 PM, vom513 wrote: Hello, tl;dr - If I only have a /24 PI - is there any way to use this and not “chop it up / deagg” to use for ptp/loopbacks ? Hopefully I can explain this in a manner that makes sense. Say I have a vanilla dual router/dual upstream setup (think

Re: IP reputation lookup (prefix not single IP)

2021-03-26 Thread Elvis Daniel Velea
Hi, On 3/25/21 8:28 PM, Randy Bush wrote: I think you will find that most SMTP / anti-spam focused RBL tools give a very similar result for IP reputation on a per /24 block basis Since I started working as an IPv4 Broker I've done tens of thousands of scans (for blocks of IPs) in hundreds of

Re: Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread Randy Bush
> tl;dr - If I only have a /24 PI - is there any way to use this and not > “chop it up / deagg” to use for ptp/loopbacks ? i take real addresses out of the /24 for p2p i take 1918 addresses for ibgp loopbacks randy --- ra...@psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd

Best practice for ptp/loopback numbering for "small" enterprise multihome setup

2021-03-26 Thread vom513
Hello, tl;dr - If I only have a /24 PI - is there any way to use this and not “chop it up / deagg” to use for ptp/loopbacks ? Hopefully I can explain this in a manner that makes sense. Say I have a vanilla dual router/dual upstream setup (think enterprise internet edge). It’s basically an

Weekly Routing Table Report

2021-03-26 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG. Daily listings are sent to

internet futures

2021-03-26 Thread Randy Bush
in 2010, the internet society made some videos on possible internet futures ten years out, i.e. nowish. nothing spot on, but themes can be seen for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4zfGwctGc randy --- ra...@psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com`