Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike. Brandon's ISP can provide that service. So should there be a more granular definition of speeds mandated based on population density, last mile tech, etc? I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth than you'd normally find - I

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

If we keep going down this road, we'll be siphoning up grant dollars away from communities that actually need it, sending it to communities with fake needs. There are a lot of parallels to other parts of society with people telling others what they should need, but not reflected in reality.

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Far from a major company, but I run two ISPs, one fixed wireless and one DSL\fiber. This is my "home" connection. (See attached). Max In: 4.55Mb; Average In: 421.44Kb; Current In: 333.26Kb; Max Out: 11.16Mb; Average Out: 2.04Mb; Current Out: 1.53Mb; That's a monthly graph of an

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Nobody is waiting for anything, other than when COD drops. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE" To: "Mike Lyon" Cc: "NANOG

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

That's not based in any kind of reality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Brandon Price" To: "Sean Donelan" , "NANOG Operators' Group" Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021

Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

We ran a medium sized mpls network using ciena 3900 and 5000 series boxes on our microwave network. Nothing but problems, the mpls code was just not mature enough and our radio network had the boxes falling apart at the seams as storms rolled through. At that time they didn't support FRR

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

On Fri, 28 May 2021, Mike Lyon wrote: since it appears we are arbitrarily pulling random numbers out of our asses for "minimums?" I would love to see an experiment where the CEOs of the major communication companies were forced to use only their "lifeline" products for 30 days, including

Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

Ciena was chosen by AT to deliver much of their enterprise fiber in MTOBs and such. Unsure if they run MPLS but it looks like it from the physical topology. Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO l...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

We’re about to become a multi-planet species. Upload will matter. Remember this message lol. Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO l...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.” FCC License KJ6FJJ

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

You respond as if fiber installations were all decided by people rolling dice during a tabletop gaming session. Places with fiber got invested into by the providers of those areas, and that should be constantly expanded. Maybe companies unwilling to do so shouldn’t be getting subsidies. Maybe

RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

It’s not about being lucky, it’s that the grant dollars are being siphoned up by folks providing a mediocre product. There are fiber providers that can make a rural build pencil if they were eligible. The point of the definition is to encourage building a better product. To your previous

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

> On May 28, 2021, at 15:41, Mike Lyon wrote: > > So, we up the minimum to 100 Mbps just because some areas are lucky enough to > have fiber? Fiber gets deployed to certain geographic areas because they’re lucky? This is definitely news to me! Next the telecom industry will be regulated as

Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

Yes, I was surprised as you that they have these routing features. I was also surprised they had multiple boxes that compete with aggregation devices like the ACX5048. The question is how good is Ciena's MPLS, switching, and routing stack compared to the established players of Juniper, Cisco, and

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Fiber is cool and all, but there is a HUGE amount of areas that aren't lucky enough to have fiber and wireless is the only way to go. So, we up the minimum to 100 Mbps just because some areas are lucky enough to have fiber? -Mike On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 3:38 PM Lady Benjamin Cannon of

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149. > On May 28, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: > >  > Curious, when you look at the usage on those 100/100 plans. What are they > actually using? If they aren't actually using it, then why up the minimum? Simple, our time isn’t free. The less time

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Curious, when you look at the usage on those 100/100 plans. What are they actually using? If they aren't actually using it, then why up the minimum? If they are on a 100/100 and the majority of the folks don't use a 10th of that throughput, why make it 100 if it's not actually being used? If it's

RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

100/100 minimum for sure. In our small neck of the woods, we are currently doing 250/250 for $45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps. We have lost some grants on rural builds because "someone" in the census block claims they provide broadband.. Not hard to put an AP up on a tower and hit the

RE: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

Yeah, good point Shawn, I’ve had guys ask “where is the mac table?” in the accedian, ha. Yeah it’s very point to point’ish… you tell a port what vlan to expect, and then what port to send that out. Very rigid like that. Yeah Ryan, and as I understand it, the NCS540 has the sweet XR OS too

RE: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

At a few sites of mine, I’ve seen Cisco NCS 520 devices for local in-rack deployments, and NCS 540’s for aggregation and extension handoffs. Looking at their datasheets real fast, MPLS + EVPN support come in on the 540 series. Ryan From: NANOG On Behalf Of Shawn L via NANOG Sent:

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Once upon a time, Mike Hammett said: > "Bad connection" measures way more than throughput. > > What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3? More than one person in a residence, home security systems (camera, doorbell, etc.) uploading continuously, and more. I know multiple people that

RE: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

The Accedian boxes are nice, as long as you remember they're not switches or routers. We've used them for specific use cases, but have to remember that there's things you just can't do on them. Though things may have changed on them since we used them. -Original Message- From:

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RE: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

Wow, ciena has the means to implement SR and MPLS services? I mean they run the underlying LS IGP to signal those SID’s ?? I didn’t know that. I may look at them in the future then. I thought Ciena just did some sort of static mpls-tp or something… We use Accedian as NID’s with SkyLight

Re: Cloudflare peering contacts

Peace, On Fri, May 28, 2021, 7:33 PM Jun Tanaka wrote: > you can find a contact at this site. > https://www.cloudflare.com/peering-policy/ Yeah, that was my initial point of contact... half a year ago... -- Töma

Re: 8.8.8.8 380ms from the United States for about 15 minutes

I saw some buffering issues on YouTube around 8:30am eastern time. I was pinging Google shortly there after and didn't notice anything bizarre. I only bring that up because I'm 5 hops from Google peering and never have buffering on YouTube, but it could have been something completely

Re: Cloudflare peering contacts

Toma, you can find a contact at this site. https://www.cloudflare.com/peering-policy/ -- Jun Tanaka On Fri, 28 May 2021 19:27:22 +0300 > Peace, > > Is there anyone around from the Cloudflare peering team, or anyone who > knows the right people? We've got a peering request that seems to be

Cloudflare peering contacts

Peace, Is there anyone around from the Cloudflare peering team, or anyone who knows the right people? We've got a peering request that seems to be stalled. -- Töma

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

While I agree, one thing to remember is the lack of any urgency to build out that infrastructure with the standards as low as they are in the last decade. It’s already not really being extended with haste, I doubt raising the definition will be the straw that breaks the camels back here. Seems

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Totally agree with this. We should be focusing on those in rural areas that can’t get anything, rather than trying to get blazing fast speeds to everyone in the cities. There are lots of areas here in Texas that can’t get anything other than low speed fixed wireless if they’re lucky or

8.8.8.8 380ms from the United States for about 15 minutes

Hello, We noticed that for roughly 15 minutes this morning 8.8.8.8 appeared to be routed to a far away land (380ms+). It has already been resolved but did anyone else see this? Thanks, -Drew

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Yes, the video doorbell and similar cameras are a great example of a product that barely existed a few years ago and are now common place (and one that is driving the need for change in the WiFi and broadband space). I agree that a 5:1 (down:up) ratio is better than a 10:1 (and that I do not

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I think the 10:1 ratio might have been great 5 years ago, when usage was more asymmetric. The last 5 yrs. have definitely changed the profile of a typical home user. A 4M upload pipe, will hit bottlenecks with all the collaboration that is happening remotely. Typical residential usage: Zoom

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

100k buildings in the US alone, but no. Check back in q4 tho. Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO l...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.” FCC License KJ6FJJ Sent from my iPhone via

Re: google fi outage?

Can confirm t-mobile as working in south east wi > On May 28, 2021, at 08:23, Dan Walters via NANOG wrote: > >  > Just figured id let everyone know if they haven’t seen yet that at least in > the WI area the only working carrier for fi right now is T-Mobile. The rest > will assign the wrong

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

What is the rationale for changing it? Have the applications changed? Has our use of them changed? Yes, somewhat. There's been, and will continue to be, more cord cutting of non-IP broadcast video services towards unicast IP streaming services. However, video codecs have gotten more efficient

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Even among network operators, many people are disconnected from reality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "Jim Troutman" Cc: "NANOG" Sent: Friday,

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

"Bad connection" measures way more than throughput. What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Abhi Devireddy" To:

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Clearly not a residential mass-market service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE" To: "Sean Donelan" Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group"

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

What is the demonstrated *need* (not want) for your standard mass-market customer to *need* more than that? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Adams (IT)" To:

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I'd like to see your data that backs up the statement that the broadband internet definition (of 25x3) lags behind actual user needs by a decade. Here are the TOP 4 residential users last month: up down total Fixed Wireless 25x4

Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

I am going to have to reach out to Nokia and talk to them about their products then. In the past when I have talked to Nokia their products have a low upfront cost, but then they license you to death and were worse than Cisco from what I remember. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:27 AM Thomas Scott

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

There are millions of people that have 0 mbps (or dialup, satellite, etc) and they can't function day to day like everyone else in town. Changing the definition of broadband to yet again, to a faster speed will do nothing for these people except slow the pace at which they get connectivity. Why

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I fear there are too many areas that are still limited by *dsl technology so trying to define a certain minimum for upstream transmission rates is problematic. (Also a pet peave of mine since it makes moving video and audio project files areound a PITA.) Personally, I think we're probably best

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Don't think it needs to change? From 25/3? Telehealth and WFH would like to talk with you. There's very few things more draining than a conference call with someone who's got a bad connection. Abhi Abhi Devireddy From: NANOG on behalf of Jason Canady Sent:

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

On 5/27/2021 7:29 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.? 25/5 is very usable today. Defining acceptable latency and packet loss would be a plus.

google fi outage?

Just figured id let everyone know if they haven't seen yet that at least in the WI area the only working carrier for fi right now is T-Mobile. The rest will assign the wrong phone numbers to the activated sim.

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

FCC Definition of “broadband Internet” always lags behind the reality of actual user needs, by about a decade. Various sources show that Internet bandwidth consumption increases at about 29% CAGR. If you extrapolate from the previous increases and intervals of the FCC's changes, the definition

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

At least 100/100. We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d start everyone at if I could. —L.B. Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO l...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global

Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

I've been deploying the 7210 SAS S and Sx for a while now as MPLS PEs. I haven't had any major issues. Mixes well with our existing Juniper infrastructure. --ryan On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:26 AM Thomas Scott wrote: > > Second vote for the Nokia 7200 line, their price points are hard to beat. The

RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I’d be interested to understand the rationale for not wanting to change the definition. Is it strictly the business/capital outlay expense? Thanks, Chris Adams From: NANOG On Behalf Of Jason Canady Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:39 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I second Mike. On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I don't think it needs to change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com *From: *"Sean

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

I don't think it needs to change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Sean Donelan" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM Subject: New minimum speed