CSR1000v + ASR1000 Code Upgrade Pleasure...

2021-10-12 Thread Mark Tinka
Hi all. I thought I'd share our recent experiences, per subject, just in case others run into the same problems. So... we finally decided to try 17.3(4a)MD for the CSR1000v, after years of happy operation. Good Lord, what a drama! At first, we couldn't figure out why iBGP sessions to all

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread scott
On 10/13/21 2:39 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On the cookie issue, I have had very good luck with this in Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autodelete/ - Nice, I have the

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Doug Barton
On the cookie issue, I have had very good luck with this in Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autodelete/ hope this helps, Doug On 10/12/21 6:26 AM, scott wrote: On 10/12/21 9:15 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: So, I take it you steadfastly block *all* cookies from

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread scott
On 10/12/21 9:15 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: So, I take it you steadfastly block *all* cookies from being stored or transmitted from your browser at home? --\ I used to when Firefox had the "ask me every time" for cookies. They

RE: Linux WiFi Package Issues

2021-10-12 Thread Chris J. Ruschmann
I have the same issues with a Lenovo when connecting to a wifi6 that does 8x8 and 4x4 Mimo Moving back to Wifi5 access point and I don’t have the issues anymore. Hope this helps. From: NANOG On Behalf Of Pascal Masha Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 3:22 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject:

Re: Linux WiFi Package Issues

2021-10-12 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
Shrug... almost straight to junk -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Oct 12, 2021, at 08:02, Pascal Masha wrote: > >  > Hello All, > > I have been wondering whether there is any known

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 2:01 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > I think it would be absolutely *stunning* for content providers >> to turn the model on its head; use a bittorrent like model for >> caching and serving content out of subscribers homes at >> recalcitrant ISPs, so that data doesn't come from

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Tom Beecher
> > I think it would be absolutely *stunning* for content providers > to turn the model on its head; use a bittorrent like model for > caching and serving content out of subscribers homes at > recalcitrant ISPs, so that data doesn't come from outside, > it comes out of the mesh within the eyeball

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Matthew Walster
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021, 02:24 Owen DeLong, wrote: > > A 4K 2 hour movie is about 40GB. Most modern smart TVs around 32GB of RAM > and can probably devote about 20GB of that to buffering a stream, so yeah, > that should actually be doable. > Most users are not streaming 4K, it's a very small

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-12 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 8:41 AM Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > Matthew Petach wrote: > > > With an anycast setup using the same IP addresses in every > > location, returning SERVFAIL doesn't have the same effect, > > however, because failing over from anycast address 1

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 8:16 AM Jared Brown wrote: > Mark Tinka wrote: [...] > > > But I doubt that > > will work, unless someone can think up a clever way to modify BitTorrent > > to suit today's network architectures. > Unless network topology is somehow exposed, this isn't possible. All >

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Oct 12, 2021, at 09:04 , Jared Brown wrote: > > Doug Barton wrote: >> One incentive I haven't seen anyone mention is that ISPs don't want to >> charge customers what it really costs to provide them access. > For the sake of argument, let's assume this is true. > > For this to work,

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Oct 12, 2021, at 08:13 , Jared Brown wrote: > > Mark Tinka wrote: >> Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I know BitTorrent to >> work is the file is downloaded to disk, unarchived and then listed as >> ready to watch. > That's not how it works. Several streaming BitTorrent

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
> On Oct 12, 2021, at 06:45 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 10/11/21 22:57, Matthew Walster wrote: > >> Ignoring for the moment that P2P is inherently difficult to stream with >> (you're usually downloading chunks in parallel, and with devices like Smart >> TVs etc you don't really have

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/12/21 18:33, Sabri Berisha wrote: Yes, let's go back to 2003. The ISP I worked for at that time was one of the first in the country (if not the first) to host Akamai's caching servers. Ten years later I worked on a project where Akamai caching was embedded in subscriber management

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:58 AM, Mark Tinka mark@tinka.africa wrote: Hi, > However, in an era where content is making a push to get as close to the > eyeballs as possible, kit getting cheaper and faster because of merchant > silicon, and abundance of aggregated capacity at exchange points,

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Xavier Beaudouin via NANOG
Hello, > Providing access is mostly fixed costs, as there are very few consumables in > running a network. > > IP transit costs aren't an issue, since Netflix will do settlement free > peering. > > This leaves the internal network of SK Telecom as the problem and cost > center. Even with

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Jared Brown
Doug Barton wrote: > One incentive I haven't seen anyone mention is that ISPs don't want to > charge customers what it really costs to provide them access. For the sake of argument, let's assume this is true. For this to work, I am really trying hard to ignore inconvenient facts like:

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/12/21 17:39, Jared Brown wrote: Since we aren't talking about random pirated content, but p2p streaming from a major content provider it would obviously be point & click. Yes, in which case Jane + Thatho don't need to worry about device compatibility, especially if the device is

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Jared Brown
Mark Tinka wrote: >> Well, yes. Or you could just stream content that is guaranteed to be >> compatible with the device used. > > People on this list would bother to check compatibility. > > Jane + Thatho just point & click. Since we aren't talking about random pirated content, but p2p

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-12 Thread Masataka Ohta
Matthew Petach wrote: With an anycast setup using the same IP addresses in every location, returning SERVFAIL doesn't have the same effect, however, because failing over from anycast address 1 to anycast address 2 is likely to be routed to the same pop location, where the same result will

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-12 Thread Masataka Ohta
Christopher Morrow wrote: To be fair, it looks like FB has 4 /32's (and 4 /128's) for their DNS authoritatives. All from different /24's or /48's, so they should have decent routing diversity. They could choose to announce half/half from alternate pops, or other games such as this. Yup. I

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/12/21 17:13, Jared Brown wrote: That's not how it works. Several streaming BitTorrent clients specifically request blocks in order so that you can start watching immediately. Not that you need a special client, it works pretty well with the standard client as well on a well

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Jared Brown
Mark Tinka wrote: > Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I know BitTorrent to > work is the file is downloaded to disk, unarchived and then listed as > ready to watch. That's not how it works. Several streaming BitTorrent clients specifically request blocks in order so that you can

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/11/21 22:57, Matthew Walster wrote: Ignoring for the moment that P2P is inherently difficult to stream with (you're usually downloading chunks in parallel, and with devices like Smart TVs etc you don't really have the storage to do so anyway) there's also the problem that things like

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/12/21 14:20, Jason Iannone wrote: Isn't this a problem with legacy peering agreements in today's internet? The same thing happened between Netflix, Level3, and Verizon a few years ago. The legacy concept of settlement-free peering is based on traffic forwarding parity. If what I

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/11/21 22:05, Matthew Petach wrote: Let's check back in 2026, and see if someone's become fantastically successful doing this or not.  ;) I have to say, your idea is quite fantastical. I'm not sure I have enough brain cells to consider how it will work, remembering that vCPE's were

Linux WiFi Package Issues

2021-10-12 Thread Pascal Masha
Hello All, I have been wondering whether there is any known issue with the Linux WiFi package since the last 3 days or so? I'm Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS 64bit Distro and WiFi has been dropping almost every 5 minutes. A colleague on another Linux Disto also contacted me about the same thing. Has anyone

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-12 Thread Jason Iannone
Isn't this a problem with legacy peering agreements in today's internet? The same thing happened between Netflix, Level3, and Verizon a few years ago. The legacy concept of settlement-free peering is based on traffic forwarding parity. If what I forward to you roughly matches what you forward to