Re: Increase bandwidth usage in partial-mesh network?

2021-10-13 Thread Karsten Thomann via NANOG
I would agree.Not sure if other vendors have something similar, but in Juniper land you could use traffic engineering with container lsp to go a step further than just plain rsvp-te.Kind regards Karsten 

Re: Increase bandwidth usage in partial-mesh network?

2021-10-13 Thread Mauricio Rodriguez via NANOG
Assuming that the reasons for the low bandwidth and use of radio is due to physical constraints - distances, inhospitable terrain between nodes, etc. In this case, some good 'ol MPLS traffic engineering using LSP's with bandwidth reservations may be the way to influence how traffic is routed.

Re: Increase bandwidth usage in partial-mesh network?

2021-10-13 Thread Adam Thompson
Hah, no not your client . Their existing network is actually surprisingly stable, but it is bandwidth-constrained. As well as the various other replies I've seen here and off-list (THANKS!), the only commercial product I've found so far that might have a hope of handling this is HPE/Aruba's

Re: Increase bandwidth usage in partial-mesh network?

2021-10-13 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:30 AM Adam Thompson wrote: > Has anyone come across any product or technology that can handle the > multi-path-ness and the private-network-ness like a regular router, but also > provides the intelligent per-flow path steering based on e.g. latency, like > an SD-WAN

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NANOG 83: City Guide + Keynotes + More

2021-10-13 Thread Nanog News
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Re: verizon fios, northeast, routing issues?

2021-10-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ok folks, Thanks for the info about uunet.  But that doesn't address: 3. The intermittent, high delays (factor of 10) jump out  (also, when running ping tests, there seem to be intermittent periods of long sequences of timeouts) or, that, for about 4 years now, gamers seem to be reporting

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 10/13/21 07:34, Masataka Ohta wrote: But, I certainly mean that CDN operators should not request peering directly to access/retail ISPs merely because they have their own transit, because the transit is not at all neutral. I'm not sure that I understand this. Peering is rarely if ever

Re: Increase bandwidth usage in partial-mesh network?

2021-10-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/13/21 19:59, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: Hey! From the description it must be one of our clients! Just beware if you go this route, a network that is probably already unstable and unreliable will become at least an order of magnitude worse. You can't fix ten lbs of stuff into a 4 lb

Re: Increase bandwidth usage in partial-mesh network?

2021-10-13 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
Hey! From the description it must be one of our clients! Just beware if you go this route, a network that is probably already unstable and unreliable will become at least an order of magnitude worse. You can't fix ten lbs of stuff into a 4 lb stuff bag. The internet protocols do not tolerate

Increase bandwidth usage in partial-mesh network?

2021-10-13 Thread Adam Thompson
Looking for recommendtions or suggestions... I've got a downstream customer asking for help; they have a private internal network that I've taken to calling the "partial-mesh network from hell": it's got two partially-overlapping radio networks, mixed with islands of isolated fiber

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/13/21 17:24, Masataka Ohta wrote: The problem is that, unlike neutral transit providers, "the bits" is biased by the CDN provider. Then, access/retail ISPs who also want to supply their own contents, even though they must be neutral to contents provided by neutral transit providers,

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Masataka Ohta
Tom Beecher wrote: But, I certainly mean that CDN operators should not request peering directly to access/retail ISPs merely because they have their own transit, because the transit is not at all neutral. I'm still confused. Let's say I have a CDN network, with a datacenter somewhere, an

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:56 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > But, I certainly mean that CDN operators should not request >> peering directly to access/retail ISPs merely because they have >> their own transit, because the transit is not at all neutral. >> > > I'm still confused. > > Let's say I have a

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Tom Beecher
> > But, I certainly mean that CDN operators should not request > peering directly to access/retail ISPs merely because they have > their own transit, because the transit is not at all neutral. > I'm still confused. Let's say I have a CDN network, with a datacenter somewhere, an edge site

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Masataka Ohta
Tom Beecher wrote: For network neutrality, backbone providers *MUST* be neutral for contents they carry. However, CDN providers having their own backbone are using their backbone for contents they prefer, which is *NOT* neutral at all. As such, access/retail providers may pay for peering with

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Tom Beecher
> > For network neutrality, backbone providers *MUST* be neutral > for contents they carry. > > However, CDN providers having their own backbone are using > their backbone for contents they prefer, which is *NOT* > neutral at all. > > As such, access/retail providers may pay for peering with >

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

2021-10-13 Thread Tom Beecher
I agree with you generally. It's not impossible, but probably unlikely for an individual to be sued for contents of cookie data or similar small fragments like that. I do believe it's orders of more magnitude more likely for the 'average' residential consumer to attract a suit from the

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

2021-10-13 Thread Masataka Ohta
Matthew Petach wrote: With an anycast setup using the same IP addresses in every location, returning SERVFAIL doesn't have the same effect, however, because failing over from anycast address 1 to anycast address 2 is likely to be routed to the same pop location, where the same result will