Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 2/4/23 08:11, William Herrin wrote: Not for more than a decade now, at least not in the U.S. When you're up to whole-house generator prices everyone expects electric start. Half the portables have electric start. Most lawnmowers have electric start. Once you have that, the cost to make

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 10:01 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > What I mean by "pre-wired" is that, perhaps, the generator is pre-setup > and wired into the house, but is not in standby mode to manage costs, > and perhaps, to be reliable since ATS's are often dodgy. > > Maybe a manual start is required.

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 2/4/23 07:48, William Herrin wrote: Pre-wired makes it a standby generator, which 9 times out of 10 is automatic start with an automatic transfer switch. It's running within seconds whether you're home or not. Electricians cost too much and 20kva natural gas / propane generators with an

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 9:36 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > On 2/4/23 07:29, William Herrin wrote: > > If it's just a little gasoline generator, 30 minutes is about right. > > It takes 10 minutes to decide the power isn't coming back soon and > > another 10 to drag the generator out of the shed, hook up

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 2/4/23 07:29, William Herrin wrote: If it's just a little gasoline generator, 30 minutes is about right. It takes 10 minutes to decide the power isn't coming back soon and another 10 to drag the generator out of the shed, hook up the wires and get it going even though it's cold, wet, and

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 9:05 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > On 2/3/23 21:11, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > Living in an area served by PG, I've had my share of power cuts. At home > > I have a 600va UPS that protects my cable modem, RPI router, and POE switch > > which serves 2 APs. That lasts about 30

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 2/3/23 21:11, Sabri Berisha wrote: Living in an area served by PG, I've had my share of power cuts. At home I have a 600va UPS that protects my cable modem, RPI router, and POE switch which serves 2 APs. That lasts about 30 minutes, which gives me enough time to fire up my generator.

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 2/3/23 19:53, Saku Ytti wrote: In practice I would default to expecting 0 min availability during power outage, regardless of how resilient my CPE is. We can scarcely make the Internet work at the best of times. Agreed, this is a good place to start. It's a bit doom & gloom, but most

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 2/3/23 19:25, Brian Turnbow via NANOG wrote: They have been discussing it here in Italy as well. The isp/telecommunication industry here is tryng to get Cos/pops/cabinets listed as critical infra and removed from rolling power cuts. I would say plan for the worst, because there will

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 2/3/23 16:11, Israel G. Lugo wrote: Hi folks, At $day_job, I have a team of engineers who are oncall for critical services in the United Kingdom. For $reasons, the national power grid is announcing the possibility of rolling power cuts over the coming months. Right now it's

Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 2/3/23 06:11, Israel G. Lugo wrote: Question is, how much battery runtime can I typically expect from ISPs' last mile infra. See comments inline, this is my experience in the US. UK may be substantially different. People will have a random mix of DSL, FTTP, DOCSIS. Another alternative

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Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Feb 3, 2023, at 6:11 AM, Israel G. Lugo israel.l...@lugosys.com wrote: Hi, > I'm looking at the cost/benefit of deploying small UPSes at people's > homes, to protect their network access when oncall. Just to power the > home router (+ONT if FTTP), and keep a charged laptop. I figure

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Re: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Saku Ytti
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 at 16:15, Israel G. Lugo wrote: > Could anyone with last mile experience help with some ballpark figures? > I.e. 15 min vs 8h or 8 days. This would be highly market specific. In many cases, probably most cases, there is no regulatory requirement for availability for internet

RE: Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Brian Turnbow via NANOG
Hi, > At $day_job, I have a team of engineers who are oncall for critical services > in > the United Kingdom. For $reasons, the national power grid is announcing the > possibility of rolling power cuts over the coming months. > Right now it's "unlikely", but possible. If cuts do happen, it'll

Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List (Patrick Garner)

2023-02-03 Thread Keith Stokes
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Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List (Patrick Garner)

2023-02-03 Thread Patrick Garner
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Typical last mile battery runtime (protecting against power cuts)

2023-02-03 Thread Israel G. Lugo
Hi folks, At $day_job, I have a team of engineers who are oncall for critical services in the United Kingdom. For $reasons, the national power grid is announcing the possibility of rolling power cuts over the coming months. Right now it's "unlikely", but possible. If cuts do happen, it'll be

Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List

2023-02-03 Thread Mike Hammett
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Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List

2023-02-03 Thread Clayton Zekelman
At 08:43 PM 02/02/2023, Eric Kuhnke wrote: There is "microtrenching" and then there is microtrenching. Very different things are sometimes described by the same name. Some of what Google tried to go was exceedingly shallow, like 4 inches down. Cheap microtrenching done too quick and too