experience such a pattern in a mailing list do not ever
see it change until the actors or the topic changes, and usually it
takes both...
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On 6/22/2015 6:01 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
SSH client/server authors would do well to learn the lessons of telnet line
mode.
Too bad the RCTE Telnet option never got popular...
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, get interpreted
differently by different, reasonable implementers.
Hence the stricture to meant to guide the sending of what an implementer
should consider to be the most conservative interpretations, and accept
the most liberal (different) interpretations.
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traffic that is likely to be
/more/ interesting for those wishing to inspect the data.
In other words, anything that explicitly identifies traffic as
attempting greater privacy is likely to be a greater target for attack.
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to the internet in, say, 1986 you didn't think you
were on the internet?
An question with more nuance than most folk tend to realize:
To Be On the Internet
March, 1995
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1775
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On 7/14/2014 9:09 AM, David Farber wrote:
Three years
On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:28 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
...
Also, although CSNet started with NSF money, it was required to become
self-funded within 5 years.
Hmmm...
I believe the point of confusion is the difference
be time to revise the RFC...
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, rather than having third-party operations, as CSNet did.
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On 4/4/2014 11:32 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
So, if there's more than 4 billion ants... what are they going to do?
get larger ants.
(and the responses have now covered both pro forma responses.)
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On 4/9/2014 8:00 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 12:27:55PM -0500, Dave Crocker wrote:
But it's the result of an informed
corporate choice rather than software or operations error.
Why do you think (it seems to me you've said it more than once) that
this was informed choice
the very basic different between a
specification and the choices actors make in applying it.
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of requirements does?
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://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt
As far as I know, he meant it strictly for humor.
However he did such a good job, it is common to point folk to it (or, as
we've seen here, even fill it out) when the they declare that they have
the FUSSP.
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(or at least very poorly designed).
Unfortunately, that has no relationship to do with the current
situation. Again: Yahoo was fully aware of the implications of its choice.
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of
DMARC, I believe they fully understood the technical and operations
effects of the decision.
Whether it is the 'right' choice is primarily a political debate, and
I'm not commenting on that.
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that are subject to criticism does not represent
erroneous performance by the folks tasked with doing the task mandated.
Everything they are doing is legal.
Your (possibly entirely valid) assessment that their action is
ill-advised or unpleasant does not equal broken.
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better than his, but that seems to
have hurt it's adoption...
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On 4/9/2014 7:25 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
Everything they are doing is legal.
Your (possibly entirely valid) assessment that their action is
ill-advised or unpleasant does not equal broken.
Well, sort of - given that DMARC is still an Internet draft, not even
are the
variants. The variants often blow apart the simplifying assumption that
one can incorrectly believe from the common scenarios.
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a good time to look at the overall service as a whole.
Sure, but not 'also'. Rather 'only', except for relatively trivial layer
convergence gluing.
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other crime.
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Labs were the two places best
positioned with researchers for this.
Anyhow, my main point was that economic charging models that are
entirely rational, with respect to consumption and cost, don't always
work for user preference.
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by Sackman) that showed user preference for a /worse/ average
response time that was more predictable (narrower range of variance)
than a better average time that was more erratic.
So, stability over throughput, sort of.
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until you are really sure you understand the statistics you're
getting.
+1
The 'reporting' function in DMARC appears to have wide applicability and
substantial benefit. The handling (rejection, etc.) function has very
narrow benefit.
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of that potential benefit.
Rather than having to have someone remember this stuff, anyone could
point to the 'failure' document.
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), this topological fragility was/is largely
inherent.
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to miss
the facts that a) that's not their job, and b) the correlation isn't
perfect. And the imperfections matter.
That is why there is the current interest in developing a cheap,
accurate method that /is/ intended to define organizational boundaries.
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boundaries qualifies as a
security function.
It's easy to imagine security functions that are 'in support of' the
enforcement of the boundaries, but that's quite different from having an
annotation mechanism to assert the boundaries.
Let's be careful not to overload functions here.
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, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On 4/19/13, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
On 4/19/2013 4:33 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
[snip]
Absent a view that somehow says all metadata is a security function, I
don't see how the marking of administrative boundaries qualifies as a
security function.
The security function
' concern/argument.
I don't know the right answer, here, but I think the frame for
discussing it has a long history.
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IETF budget?
Purely for accuracy:
Current IETF expenditures are around US$ 5M - 5.5M.
The ISOC Direct Contribution Excluding Development is just over
US$ 2M:
http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/YEF-2012-2015.pdf
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to the thread, could you
provide a brief summary of its job and benefits (with any concerns that
are broadly held)?
I'm not asking you to defend your views but to provide a most basic
tutorial on -D. The more objective the better.
Thanks.
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who rely on their credentials for credibility tend to lose it with
me. anyone who makes a point by clearly providing a solid basis for it
tends to gain it.
but i agree that clarity about the purpose of this thread would be
helpful...
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new address spaces have 4
times as many bits as the previous generation.
We have three data points to establish this for the Internet, and that's
the minimum needed to run a correlation: Arpanet, IPv4, IPv6...
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down the root servers within
the past 5 or 6 years and only took out around 20 or 25.
Some discussions about that I recall guessed that it was an experimental probe,
for learning how to do a better attack. (Remember that 9/11 was a revision of a
prior attack on the towers.)
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of means and
symptoms and entirely miss the underlying, strategic issues.
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suffering.
The one-to-one cost or damage is probably also a reasonable perspective, but
it's /incremental/ to the shared cost.
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wouldn't it be acceptable to have
filtering done at the source end of that SMTP connection?
As soon as we step upstream this way, stepping up earlier still is merely a
question of efficacy and efficiency.
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.
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Requirements
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5068.txt IETF BCP
It does not explicitly support blocking outbound port 25, since that's
controversial, but it /does/ require permitting outbound port 587.
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. but one still avoids bad neighborhoods.
Which incorrectly presumes that the average user can distinguish among Internet
neighborhoods.
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that remarkable, given recent reports of Internet addiction --
what's especially tasty is the idea of having an Internet connection that works
without electricity...
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targeting signers you
trust, rather more than for targeting those you don't. If you don't care about
the trust side of the filtering equation, I suspect DKIM will not be all that
helpful for you.
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surreptitiously bought a cot...
You didn't work for the FAA, Dave, did you?
No, or we would have gotten more sleep.
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operations were purely daytime, during the week. Graveyard shift was quiet
enough that we surreptitiously bought a cot...
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. It is typically massively mediated by lots of different email servers.
One could configure two MUAs to talk with each other 'directly' using SMTP, but
that's never done.
Instant message services similarly are not peer-to-peer technical terms.
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. It is typically massively mediated by lots of different email servers.
One could configure two MUAs to talk with each other 'directly' using SMTP, but
that's never done.
Instant message services similarly are not peer-to-peer technical terms.
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failure, given the switch to
an emergency mode for the phone system that restricts access during major events
like these.
[3] Van created traceroute. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traceroute
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the claim.
Back in the '70s, I always heard survive hostile battlefield conditions and
never heard anyone talk about comms survival of a nuclear event, but I wasn't in
any interesting conversations, such as in front of funding agencies...
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On 12/18/2010 9:52 PM, Joseph Prasad wrote:
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/242051,un-mulls-internet-regulation-options.aspx
Given the season, their efforts appear to be a form of mulled whine.
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-neutrality (assuming
there is a plausible meaning to charging itself...
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fragmentation is constrained; this
could plausibly motivate more people to pursue other paths and thereby blow
things up.
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/remembrances/
Speak softly and carry a big registry.
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TR than I would have wanted. One of the interesting metricts
for TR is delay-time per node. The Irvine Ring introduced one bit-time delay.
Scaled great. The IBM TR introduced one full packet-time. Didn't scale well.
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On 8/23/2010 3:38 PM, John Kristoff wrote:
many of the other instructors they come into contact with
are focusing only on class A, B, C addressing
wow.
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tectonics plates (and sources of
power, of course.)
Conflating the liberal in what you accept advise, it might be wise to accept
tectonic as covering tectonic shifts in politics, as well as land masses.
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On 4/21/2010 8:16 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
The MAAWG BCPs have far more available than one of the worst
maintained blacklists that has ever been in existence.
For example:
http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf
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. The fact that 587 default to authenticated is the win.
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: (559) 917-6480
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interaction, no matter how distasteful and dissuading
a 'normal' person might find it.
The only response that works -- and even this is not guaranteed -- is shunning.
Drop the message. Do not respond. Ever.
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On 4/4/2010 6:46 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote:
Sounds like this guy could benefit from some carpeting and a few Roombas in his
Data Center ;)
trolls rarely benefit from anything but being ignored.
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diatribe elided... mis-directed attack, in spite of having
such an easy target.
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On 2/23/2010 8:44 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
Simple: you separate 'mail' addresses from 'fire' addresses. Mail
addresses are identifiers. Fire addresses are locators.
wrong approach.
simply get fire engines to have heat sensors and set their gps accordingly.
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of
eliminating all blowback are problematic.
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On 2/22/2010 9:35 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
I have been wondering about that too--the Internet may be the only
artifact of human existence that is generally border insensitive (with
exceptions we don't need to enumerate).
Pollution.
Global warming.
Nuclear fallout.
...
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a convenient refuge. -- dcrocker
On 2/22/2010 12:24 PM, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
On 2/22/2010 9:35 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
I have been wondering about that too--the Internet may be the only
artifact of human existence that is generally border
and
operational skills.
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. Worthy using.
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to conform to the
model specified in this draft?
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a rock solid reputation both of you and of
your clients.
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of products and services.
Which is to say, anything that alters the incentives of companies to provide
better products at better prices.
We ought to stop saying 'free' and instead say 'competitive'.
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