Re: Misconceptions, was: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-30 Thread Kevin Loch
Steven Bellovin wrote: VRRP? The Router Discovery Protocol (RFC 1256). But given how much more reliable routers are today than in 1984, I'm not convinced it's that necessary these days. VRRP is an absolutely essential protocol in today's Internet. We use it on every non-bgp customer port.

Re: subnet prefix length 64 breaks IPv6?

2011-12-29 Thread Kevin Loch
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 24 Dec 2011, at 6:32 , Glen Kent wrote: I am trying to understand why standards say that using a subnet prefix length other than a /64 will break many features of IPv6, including Neighbor Discovery (ND), Secure Neighbor Discovery (SEND) [RFC3971], .. [reference

Re: IPv6 RA vs DHCPv6 - The chosen one?

2011-12-21 Thread Kevin Loch
Ravi Duggal wrote: We thus have draft-droms-dhc-dhcpv6-default-router-00 that extends DHCPv6 to do what RA does. And now, we have draft-bcd-6man-ntp-server-ra-opt-00.txt that extends RA to advertise the NTP information that is currently done via DHCPv6. My question is, that which then is the

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Kevin Loch
Dave Hart wrote: AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. I have heard first hand stories of folks being offered 5 figures for

Re: Colocation providers and ACL requests

2011-11-01 Thread Kevin Loch
Christopher Pilkington wrote: Is it common in the industry for a colocation provider, when requested to put an egress ACL facing us such as: deny udp any a.b.c.d/24 eq 80 …to refuse and tell us we must subscribe to their managed DDOS product? We have always accommodated temporary ACL's

Re: Advice on BGP traffic engineering for classified traffic

2011-10-26 Thread Kevin Loch
Jack Bates wrote: I'm curious if anyone has a pointer on traffic manipulation for classified traffic. Basics, I have a really cheap transit connection that some customers are paying reduced rates to only use that connection (and not my other transits). Though I've considered support for

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-11 Thread Kevin Loch
Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:13:09PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Now you could argue that the DHCPv6-supplied gateway addresses should have higher priority than the ones learned from RAs. At least that solves the problem. However, that solution

Re: Cogent HE

2011-06-08 Thread Kevin Loch
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 06:39:02PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Yes, both refuse to buy transit, yes. But HE is able, willing, and even begging to peer; Cogent is not. These are not the same thing. I'm ready, willing, and lets say for the purposes of this

Broken Teredo relay AS1101?

2011-06-07 Thread Kevin Loch
This path for 2001::/32 leads to a broken teredo relay: 3257 1103 1101 http://ip6.me was using this path and not working from my client. When I routing to prefer 6939's relays it started working. - Kevin

Re: .io registrar

2011-05-11 Thread Kevin Loch
Jeremy Kister wrote: Does anyone know of a competent .io registrar who charges in the = $75/yr area ? I've been using tierra.net (domaindiscover.com) but they continually break my domains. this year, although their website says my domain expires 4/2012, my domain stopped working today.

Re: Where to go for connectivity in VA / DC

2011-01-06 Thread Kevin Loch
bas wrote: Hi, We've recently opened a POP in northern Virginia. The DC does not have a lot of connectivity options to choose from. So we've ordered dark fiber to Equinix Ashburn DC2, we will light it up with our own DWDM, and pick up connectivity there. We do however need a second point to

Re: IPv6 BGP table size comparisons

2010-12-21 Thread Kevin Loch
Jared Mauch wrote: Maybe this is a good place to start.. http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/compare/ - Jared On Dec 21, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Frank Bulk wrote: A week or more ago someone posted in NANOG or elsewhere a site that had made a comparison of the IPv6 BGP table sizes of different

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

2010-08-13 Thread Kevin Loch
Randy Bush wrote: (and to answer Randy - the only control over the administration is based on the policies adopted. Reduce the corpus of applicable policy if that is your desire.) we created careers for junior policiy weenies. arin and other rirs have become well-funded playgrounds for the

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-19 Thread Kevin Loch
sth...@nethelp.no wrote: *If* the whole IPv6 config can be driven from the same database. For the time being, DHCPv6 cannot deliver a default gateway to customers (and there is a religious faction within the IPv6 community which seem to want to prevent this at all costs). s/IPv6/IETF/ I

Re: Router for Metro Ethernet

2010-04-12 Thread Kevin Loch
Jeffrey Negro wrote: In our case I believe we would be dealing with just static routes and a lines of ACL. In that case a linux/FreeBSD router would work great. - Kevin

Re: YouTube AS36561 began announcing 1.0.0.0/8

2010-03-12 Thread Kevin Loch
Axel Morawietz wrote: Am 12.03.2010 17:03, schrieb Nathan: [...] Its amazing how prolific 1.x traffic is. one reason might also be, that at least T-Mobile Germany uses 1.2.3.* for their proxies that deliver the content to mobile phones. And I'm not sure what they are doing when they are going

Re: Competition for Internap's FCP product.

2010-02-25 Thread Kevin Loch
Drew Weaver wrote: Hi, As my Avaya CNA/Route Science box begins to seriously age, and without the support of Avaya for 'Service Provider' uses of the product, I have been looking for alternatives to the product. The value we get from this product is mainly in the ability to easily manage

Re: Blocking private AS

2010-02-19 Thread Kevin Loch
Thomas Magill wrote: I am thinking about implementing a filter to block all traffic with private AS numbers in the path. I see quite a few in my table though so I am concerned I might block some legitimate traffic. In some cases, these are just prefixes with the private appended to the end but

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Kevin Loch
Mirjam Kuehne wrote: Hello, After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the RIPE NCC did some measurements to find out how polluted this block really is. See some surprising results on RIPE Labs: http://labs.ripe.net/content/pollution-18 Please also note the call for feedback at the

Re: Cogent Outage?

2010-01-14 Thread Kevin Loch
Ketan Mangal wrote: Yes there is a Newyork to Philadelphia fiber cut is there It might not be an outage it might be high latency due to multiple routes going out via there buffalo POP. That fiber cut was at 9:30EST this morning, the major Cogent internal routing problems started around 12:10

Re: about interdomain multipath routing.

2009-11-09 Thread Kevin Loch
Bin Dai wrote: Hi: These days, in the research, the interdomain multipath routing is pretty hot but i doubt its actually use in reality. Does anyone tell me any use of interdomain multipath routing like multipath BGP in the real world? BGP multipath is extremely common and used to load

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-22 Thread Kevin Loch
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: If, on the other hand, the REAL desire is to have a DHCP server break the tie in the selection between several routers that advertise their presence, that wouldn't be unreasonable. In some configurations not all hosts are supposed to use the same router. We need

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-21 Thread Kevin Loch
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 18 okt 2009, at 10:03, Andy Davidson wrote: Support default-routing options for DHCPv6 ! This would be a big mistake. Fate sharing between the device that advertises the presence of a router and the device that forwards packets makes RAs much more robust than

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-18 Thread Kevin Loch
Nathan Ward wrote: On 19/10/2009, at 1:10 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Oct 18, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Nathan Ward wrote: On 18/10/2009, at 11:02 PM, Andy Davidson wrote: On 18 Oct 2009, at 09:29, Nathan Ward wrote: RA is needed to tell a host to use DHCPv6 This is not ideal. Why? Remember

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-18 Thread Kevin Loch
TJ wrote: In some cases different devices on a segment need a different default router (for default). This is the fundamental This capability is also defined, more specific routes - but no one encouraged any vendors that I know of to support it - so they don't. Big demand? by Default I

Re: ISP customer assignments

2009-10-13 Thread Kevin Loch
Chris Adams wrote: I guess I'm missing something; what in section 3 is this referring to? I can understand /64 or /126 (or maybe /124 if you were going to delegate reverse DNS?), but why /112 and 16 bits for node identifiers on a point-to-point link? The only thing special about /112 is that

Re: 32-bit AS numbers

2009-10-09 Thread Kevin Loch
Greg Hankins wrote: We also started a Wiki with content based on the presentation that has more updated information, including a current list of vendor support. If you see a vendor missing, let us know and we can update the list. Or better yet, create an account and add some content yourself

Re: Practical numbers for IPv6 allocations

2009-10-07 Thread Kevin Loch
David Conrad wrote: On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Nathan Ward wrote: My understanding is that the RIRs are doing sparse allocation, as opposed to reserving a few bits. I could be wrong. Last I heard, with the exception of APNIC and contrary to what they indicated they'd do prior to IANA

Re: Multi-homed implementation and BGP convergence time

2009-09-11 Thread Kevin Loch
Seth Mattinen wrote: Jay Hennigan wrote: Tier 1, tier 2 etc. are terms used primarily by salespeople, and don't have a lot to do with technical matters. Sure it does. If you're multihoming it will increase your AS path length. There is no general correlation between AS path length and

Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation

2009-09-10 Thread Kevin Loch
Benjamin Billon wrote: Why don't we just blacklist everything and only whitelist those we know are good? snip Note we all could start using IPv6 and avoid this problem altogether. snip Yeah. When ISP will start receiving SMTP traffic in IPv6, they could start to accept whitelisted senders

Re: Eye protection in DWDM systems -- what threshold?

2009-06-09 Thread Kevin Loch
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:06:58PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: This conversation has gone places I didn't expect. Leo, that card is pretty cool, but for a few hundred $$ more, you can get a light meter (if someone is smart enough to use the card...) In a pinch the camera on a MacBook pro can be

Re: Phoenix Area Network Issues?

2009-04-27 Thread Kevin Loch
Something is definately happening, 50% drop in inbound traffic to our PHX datacenter across all transit providers. - Kevin Ray Sanders wrote: Are there any fiber cuts or other routing issues anyone in the Phoenix area is aware of? Thanks.

Re: Phoenix Area Network Issues?

2009-04-27 Thread Kevin Loch
Kevin Loch wrote: Something is definately happening, 50% drop in inbound traffic to our PHX datacenter across all transit providers. - Kevin Ray Sanders wrote: Are there any fiber cuts or other routing issues anyone in the Phoenix Update: Qwest did not appear to be affected

Re: IPv4 Anycast?

2009-04-22 Thread Kevin Loch
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:35 PM, Jack Bates wrote: Zhenkai Zhu wrote: I just want to make sure if I understand correctly. You mean that the anycasted address space can be announced in different places yet with the same origin AS? Yes, and it is commonly done. I was

Re: options for full routing table in 1 year?

2009-04-08 Thread Kevin Loch
Jo Rhett wrote: Cisco 6500/7600 with SUP720-3BXL handles 1mil routes Sounds great on paper but a sup720 can barely handle full tables today. Depending on how many full tables you take and what else you are doing with it, cpu resources are unreasonably tight. Having many vlans with vrrp and

Re: IPv6 Confusion

2009-02-18 Thread Kevin Loch
David Conrad wrote: Yeah. Rants about the IETF should probably be directed elsewhere. Just how DO we get the message to the IETF that we need all the tools we have in v4 (DHCP, VRRP, etc) to work with RA turned off? - Kevin

Re: IPv6 Confusion

2009-02-18 Thread Kevin Loch
Leo Bicknell wrote: It wouldn't be so bad if we could just turn it off. Indeed, in part you can. On a static LAN there is no need for RA's. Static IP the box, static default route, done and done. VRRPv6 however is relevant to static environments and also needs to (optionally) work with

Re: Level 3 issues

2008-12-28 Thread Kevin Loch
marco wrote: From what I heard, it was some some malfunction with a router in Washington D.C. which terminated a 100GB bundle from Paris. It was carring about 50GB at the time of the failure. Not sure why routes within the US would be effected. We connect to level3 in Ashburn/DC and saw

Re: IPv6 routing /48s

2008-11-18 Thread Kevin Loch
Christopher Morrow wrote: GRH is too slow to get me an answer on what it thinks the v6 table size should be :( Geoff says though: 1627 routes (http://bgp.potaroo.net/v6/as2.0/index.html) route-views6 is another good place to look. 1481 is the max seen there. Perhaps there are some

Re: Catalyst 6500 High Switch Proc

2008-11-15 Thread Kevin Loch
Jon Lewis wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Philip L. wrote: This is on a Sup720-3BXL by the way: 'sh mls netflow table-con detailed:' Earl in Module 5 Detailed Netflow CAM (TCAM and ICAM) Utilization TCAM Utilization : 100% ICAM Utilization : 6%

Re: Internet partitioning event regulations

2008-11-05 Thread Kevin Loch
William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Larry Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: There are three ways that I know of (feel free to add to this list) to limit the events: 1.) As you mentioned, regulation (or a government run and regulated backbone); Which

Re: Is it time to abandon bogon prefix filters?

2008-08-20 Thread Kevin Loch
Pekka Savola wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Kevin Loch wrote: While you're at it, you also placed the reachable-via rx on all your customer interfaces. If you're paranoid, start with the 'any' rpf and then move to the strict rpf. The strict rpf also helps with routing loops. Be careful

Re: Is it time to abandon bogon prefix filters?

2008-08-19 Thread Kevin Loch
Jared Mauch wrote: While you're at it, you also placed the reachable-via rx on all your customer interfaces. If you're paranoid, start with the 'any' rpf and then move to the strict rpf. The strict rpf also helps with routing loops. Be careful not to enable strict rpf on multihomed

Re: It's Ars Tech's turn to bang the IPv4 exhaustion drum

2008-08-19 Thread Kevin Loch
Randy Bush wrote: In practice, many routers require the packet to go twice in the hardware if the prefix length is 64 bits, so even though it is a total waste of space, it is not stupid to use /64 for point-to-point links and even for loopbacks! some of us remember when we thought similarly

Re: Geographic map of IPv6 availability

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Loch
Tony Hain wrote: Nathan Ward wrote: That's because the 'v6 network' is broken enough that putting records on sites that need to be well reachable is a bad idea. So why didn't you put up a 6to4 router and put records in that pointed to the 6to4 prefix for those servers? That

Re: dotted AS numbers in asn.txt

2007-09-19 Thread Kevin Loch
Andreas Ott wrote: Hi, since when does ftp://ftp.arin.net/info/asn.txt contain dotted AS numbers? Where is the new formatting documented, asn.h ? http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-michaelson-4byte-as-representation-04.txt 6.0 B6WM110-ARIN (Tech) 6.1

Re: IPv6 Deployment (Was: Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted)

2007-05-30 Thread Kevin Loch
Donald Stahl wrote: If ARIN is going to assign /48's, and people are blocking anything longer than /32- well then that's a problem :) To be specific, ARIN is currently assigning up to /48 out of 2620::/23. I noticed that http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html has the following

Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-29 Thread Kevin Loch
Jared Mauch wrote: Some providers (eg: www.us.ntt.net) have their sales/marketing path ipv6 enabled. Perhaps this will help self-select customers that are clued? ;) Most European/Asian based providers/peers don't even blink when I mention turning up IPv6. Not so with most US based