Re: Juniper advertises ::/0 Cisco hears ::/3

2012-05-12 Thread Saku Ytti
On 12 May 2012 04:29, Ben Bartsch uwcable...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone seen this behavior with BGP IPv6 between Juniper (owned by Level 3, advertising routes correctly, sending default ::/0) and Cisco (6509 running 12.2.58.SXI6 advipservices, receiving all routes fine except default, hearing

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-04-27 22:05 +), Paul Vixie wrote: this seems late, compared to the various commitments made to rpki in recent years. is anybody taking it seriously? (disclaimer I'm almost completely clueless on RPKI). If two fails don't make win, then I think ROVER is better solution, doesn't

Re: Securing OOB

2012-04-23 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-04-23 12:45 +), Leigh Porter wrote: I have juniper SRX110s that use the magic new multi site IPSec thing. +1. This is the way to roll OOB, CPE (Cisco ISR, Juniper SRX), RS232 console server (opengear, avocent) and switch if you happen to have modern gear which support proper OOB

Handling of L2 broadcast, L3 unicast frames

2012-04-02 Thread Saku Ytti
If you try % sudo ip route add 194.100.7.227/32 dev eth0 % sudo arp -i eth0 -s 194.100.7.227 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff % ping 194.100.7.227 Chances are that you get ping replies (Cisco VXR, Cisco ISR, Juniper SRX, Juniper M10i, Juniper M7i, Linksys e4200) But you also might not be getting replies

Re: L3 VPN Management

2012-03-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-03-07 07:07 +), Leigh Porter wrote: What's the nicest way of allowing the ops servers all talk to each VPN instance? At the moment I just us pretty normal L3VPN techniques so that every VPN sees routes tagged with the ops VPN target community and so that the ops VPN sees all

Re: Huawei edge routers..

2012-03-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-03-07 09:46 -), Tim Franklin wrote: This does occasionally brighten up my day with gems like rip no work and reset-recycle-bin, so it's not all bad :) I liked how ssh is secure-telnet, took bit head scratching to enable ssh. But again, I don't think crappy or good CLI is very

Re: Huawei edge routers..

2012-03-06 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-03-06 09:24 +), Leigh Porter wrote: Has anybody had any experience of Huawei Mobile/Metro edge routers? I'm looking for something that will handle various MPLS services (Layer 2/3), QinQ with about 10x1Gb Ethernet interfaces (no need for 10G). How are they compared to

Re: Huawei edge routers..

2012-03-06 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-03-06 11:05 +0100), Bjørn Mork wrote: do without docs. On paper they look fine, CLI is worse than IOS, but honestly if CLI is critical to you, you're probably doing something wrong anyhow (meaning, systems should be touching routers, not people) Hmm, we have systems using CLI

Re: Console Server Recommendation

2012-02-01 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-02-01 09:07 -0800), Owen DeLong wrote: I would hardly call conserver software a home-baked solution unless you'd also call anything based on OSS a home-baked solution. Home-baked, i.e. it's not product you can get shipped and it'll work out of the box and you have organization

Re: Console Server Recommendation

2012-01-31 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-30 11:08 -0500), Ray Soucy wrote: What are people using for console servers these days? We've historically used retired routers with ASYNC ports, but it's time for an upgrade. This is very very common thread, replaying couple times a year in various lists, with to my cursory look

Re: Console Server Recommendation

2012-01-31 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-31 10:01 +), Nick Hilliard wrote: I like feature list you posted, btw. If there were any console servers out there with these features, I would buy a bunch of them. I think OpenGear supports all of them (according to co-worker who tested them recently), but not 100% sure

Re: Console Server Recommendation

2012-01-31 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-31 11:09 -0800), Owen DeLong wrote: - IP address mappable to a console port. So that accessing device normally is 'ssh router' and via OOB 'ssh router.oob' no need to train people How about normal is 'ssh device' and OOB is 'console device'? Home-baked systems are certainly

Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was Re: 10G switch recommendaton)

2012-01-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-27 22:40 +0100), bas wrote: But do you generally agree that the market has a requirement for a deep-buffer TOR switch? Or am I crazy for thinking that my customers need such a solution? No, you're not crazy. If your core is higher rate than your customer, then you need at

Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was Re: 10G switch recommendaton)

2012-01-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-28 21:06 +0900), Masataka Ohta wrote: The required amount of memory is merely 150KB. Assuming we don't support jumbo frames and switch cannot queue sub packet sizes (normally they can't but VXR at least has 512B cell concept, so tx-ring is packet size agnostic, but this is just

Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was Re: 10G switch recommendaton)

2012-01-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-28 21:53 +0900), Masataka Ohta wrote: 1.5MB @ 100Mbps is 120ms, which is prohibitively lengthy even as BE. The solution is to have less number of classes. The solution is to per class define max queue size, so user with fewer queues configured will not use all available buffer

Re: XBOX 720: possible digital download mass service.

2012-01-27 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-27 11:35 +0100), Tei wrote: Theres also a rumour that these new consoles will require internet to download games. These games can weigth 9 to 20 GB. That may be 30 million users in USA, maybe 50 worldwide. Source to these rumours? It seems ridiculous thought, considering you can

Re: 10GE TOR port buffers (was Re: 10G switch recommendaton)

2012-01-27 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-27 17:35 +0100), bas wrote: Chassis: Juniper EX8200-8XS512MB/10GE Cisco WS-X6708-10GE 32MB/10GE (or 24MB) Cisco N7K-M132XP-12 36MB/10GE Arista DCS-7548S-LC 48MB/10GE Brocade BR-MLX-10Gx8-X128MB/10GE (not sure) 1GE

Re: juniper mx80 vs cisco asr 1000

2012-01-20 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-19 12:10 -0800), jon Heise wrote: Does anyone have any experience with these two routers, we're looking to buy one of them but i have little experience dealing with cisco routers and zero experience with juniper. It might be because of your schedule/timetable, but you are

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-11 17:45 -0500), Justin M. Streiner wrote: If multicast is used it shouldn't take 150pbps, it should be much lower. That could be one of the things that helps spur v6 adoption - multicast being somewhat less of an afterthought :) While v4 multicast works, and delivering video

Re: Monday Night Footbal -- on Google?

2012-01-15 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2012-01-15 09:47 -1000), Antonio Querubin wrote: This is misguided, IPV6 does no magic to help scale multicast to Internet scale compared to IPV4. Actually, IPv6 embedded RP improves scalability over IPv4 MSDP peering and ASM. Unfortunately that does exactly nothing to help with

Re: subnet prefix length 64 breaks IPv6?

2011-12-29 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-12-29 16:56 +0800), Mark Tinka wrote: On Thursday, December 29, 2011 03:46:48 AM sth...@nethelp.no wrote: And there are other platforms, e.g. Juniper M/MX/T, where there is no concept of punt a packet to software to forwarded in hardware, or dropped. IPv6 prefixes 64 IOS

Re: Odd router brokenness

2011-11-23 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-11-23 09:41 -0500), Mark Radabaugh wrote: The question is: How does a router break in this manner?It appears to unintentionally be doing something different with traffic based on the source address, not the destination address.I realize this can be done intentionally - but

Re: Odd router brokenness

2011-11-23 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-11-23 11:45 -0500), Mark Radabaugh wrote: I was told the router was reloaded to resolve a CEF issue. Not sure what was wrong with 'clear cef linecard'. Or just fixing the broken prefixes/adjacencies and opening CTAC case about what was wrong with them.

Re: Juniper DOS/Blackhole question

2011-10-23 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-10-22 20:38 -0500), Jack Bates wrote: the route. This seems strange to me. Any idea why a route would be rejected unless multihop was enabled? RFC4271 states: -- - By default (if none of the above conditions apply), the BGP speaker SHOULD use the IP address of the interface that

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-30 01:55 -0400), Christopher Morrow wrote: when will vendors learn that punting to the RE/RP/smarts for packets in the fastpath is ... not just 'unwise' but wholesale stupid? :( What to do with IP options or IPv6 hop-by-hop options? What to do with IPv6 packets which contain

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-30 10:09 -0400), Christopher Morrow wrote: a switch to be used that stops processing this sort of thing, in an internet core (and honestly most enterprise core) routers, all I want is packet-in/packet-out. there's no need for anything else, stop trying to send line-rate packets to

Re: Cisco 7600 PFC3B(XL) and IPv6 packets with fragmentation header

2011-09-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-30 10:45 -0400), Christopher Morrow wrote: after this long, yes... this is just dumb, there's no reason that the default should be punt. There are cases (you've brought up a few) where it's required today because of design limitations, there really shouldn't be cases like this

Re: ouch..

2011-09-14 Thread Saku Ytti
One: Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all over the site. Another: Does seem odd that Cisco would use Go Daddy. My first thought was a disgruntled (ex) Juniper Employee. Then

Re: Silently dropping QoS marked packets on the greater Internet

2011-09-02 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-02 10:24 -0400), Jesse McGraw wrote: I've recently run into a hard-to-troubleshoot issue where, somewhere out in the greater Internet, someone was silently dropping packets from my company that happened to be marked with DSCP AF21. I'd fully expect others to either ignore these

Re: Silently dropping QoS marked packets on the greater Internet

2011-09-02 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-09-02 12:02 -0400), valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Except you can't actually *guarantee* that QoS works every packet, every time, during congestion even within the same network. Remember - QoS is just a marking to shoot the other guy first. If a link ends up overcommitted with QoS

Re: OSPF vs IS-IS

2011-08-13 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-08-13 22:44 +1000), Jeffrey S. Young wrote: That's interesting and if true would represent a real change. Can you list the larger SPs in the US that use OSPF? ATT, L3? Anyhow I fully agree with the sentiment that in eu/us markets most SP rock ISIS. At one time when I was shopping

Re: OT: Given what you know now, if you were 21 again...

2011-07-13 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-07-13 14:08 -0700), Larry Stites wrote: Given what you know now, if you were 21 and just starting into networking / communications industry which areas of study or specialty would you prioritize? Again? Buy AAPL, INTC and MSFT with loan money and study *cough*, finer things in life.

Re: Cogent HE

2011-06-09 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-06-09 00:55 -0700), Owen DeLong wrote: To be an IPv6 TIer 1, one has to peer with other IPv6 Tier 1s. HE has aggressively tried to improve the situation through promiscuous peering in every way possible. If you are interested in peering with HE and you have a presence at any of the

Re: Cogent HE

2011-06-09 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-06-09 18:03 +0900), Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Even though HE gives away free transit now, Owen said nothing about free transit. Yes there might be that some networks are unable physically to connect to HE. But I'm sure within time HE will have global presence to reach all networks

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

2011-04-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2011-04-29 18:34 -0400), david raistrick wrote: 3) as an a midstream network provider I have almost no motivation to support this. Sure, my network usage would be reduced - but I (more or less simplified here, but) make my living on each bit of traffic I carry - if I offered a way for

Re: Jumbo frame Question

2010-11-26 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-11-25 21:14 -0800), George Bonser wrote: Hey George, 9000 MTU internally. We don't deploy any servers anymore with MTU 1500. MTU 1500 is just plain stupid with any network 100mb ethernet. I'm big proponent of high MTU, to facilitate user MTU of 1500 while adding say GRE or IPSEC

Re: Jumbo frame Question

2010-11-26 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-11-26 12:39 -0500), valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: That's only half the calculation. The *other* half is if you have gear that has a packets-per-second issue - if you go to 9000 MTU, you can move 6 times as much data in the same packets-per-second. Anybody who's ever had to trim a

Re: Prefix 120.29.240.0/21

2010-11-17 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-11-17 14:40 +0100), Fredy Kuenzler wrote: We asked some customers what gear they are running, and here is a short compilation - all these systems were affected by the BGP flaps: - Cisco 2821 - c2800nm-advipservicesk9-mz.124-20.T4 - Cisco 2821 -

Re: Reverse DNS for IPv6 client networks

2010-09-14 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-09-14 14:27 +0200), Elmar K. Bins wrote: I as a networking droid have not much quarrel with that, but I am interested in how or whether at all others handle this. About year ago I spent half and hour hacking together base36 and rfc2289 stateless DNS for IPv6. I'm not making any

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-08-28 09:22 +0100), Thomas Mangin wrote: i suspect that these folk will test better next time. i sure hope so. Not sure the researcher can afford to buy a ios xr and may not have access to one ! Indeed. Also testing is hard, especially so, when you essentially need to reinvent

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-08-28 18:20 +0900), Randy Bush wrote: a bgp regression suite would not have caught this as it was not a repeat. but it sure would be useful to implementors. Naturally 'proving' that non-trivial software works is practically impossible. But stating what non-existing test-suite would

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-08-28 13:23 +0200), Thomas Mangin wrote: Those tools are not suitable for regression testing ( I know I wrote exabgp ) not saying they could not be adapted though. Fizzing may return crashes or issues with the daemon but it is unlikely. You need predictable input for regression

Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course

2010-07-25 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-07-25 17:32 +1000), Karl Auer wrote: The risk of a ULA prefix conflict is for *all practical purposes* zero. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1-((2^40)!)%2F((2^40)^100+((2^40)-100)!)+ It wouldn't puke nice graph with 'n', it did try, but never finished. So if there are

Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course

2010-07-25 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-07-25 10:28 -0400), valdis.kletni...@vt.edu and Mark Smith wrote similarly: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1-((2^40)!)%2F((2^40)^100+((2^40)-100)!)+ So if there are million assigned ULA's there is 36.5% chance of collision, if formula is right. Bzzt! Wrong,

Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course

2010-07-24 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-07-24 03:50 -0400), valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Firewall != NAT. The former is still needed in IPv6, the latter is not. And I suspect that most Joe Sixpacks think of that little box they bought as a Maybe you are talking strictly in context of residential DSL, in which case I

Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course

2010-07-24 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-07-24 02:13 -0700), Owen DeLong wrote: This is non-technical problem, enterprises of non-trivial size can't typically even tell without months of research all the devices and software where they've written down the IP addresses. Sounds like they haven't written them down very

Re: Standard for BGP community lists

2010-07-20 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-07-19 23:45 -0500), Brad Fleming wrote: Hey, : for local rtbh : for local + remote rtbh I didn't have much reason for selecting other than it was easy to identify visually. And obviously, I have safe-guards to not leak those communities into other networks.

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-03-07 08:41 +1100), Mark Andrews wrote: Not implementing IPv6 will start to lose them business soon as they won't be able to reach IPv6 only sites. Not quite yet but soon. While all the services that there customers want to reach are available over IPv4 they will be fine. Once

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-03-07 14:21 +0800), Owen DeLong wrote: While it is more complete than many other countries, there are still rural areas where it is not, and, the relatively high churn rate in competitive markets will actually still lead to a need for increasing address allocations and assignments as

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-03-06 10:07 -0800), Cameron Byrne wrote: Folks are risking their business and their customers if they don't have an IPv6 plan, and when i say IPv6 plan i mean IPv6-only. This list has already examined how polluted the remaining free IPv4 blocks are ... and as others have pointed

Re: Cisco 7600 (7609) as a core BGP router.

2009-07-18 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2009-07-18 15:58 +0700), Roland Dobbins wrote: uRPF for 7600/6500 can only be in one mode for the whole box, all interfaces. This is a major problem in many cases. I referred to this as 'chassis wide uRPF'. I'm not sure if that is big issue in many networks. You run uRPF/strict to single

Re: MAC address confusion

2009-03-04 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2009-03-03 13:50 -0800), Kevin Oberman wrote: This is only a problem if you have multiple systems running DECnet (or some other protocol using this) with the same layer 3 address. That should never happen, so there should be no duplication. Why would they need to have same L3 address? The

Re: 23456 without AS4_PATH?

2009-02-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2009-02-28 18:05 +0100), sth...@nethelp.no wrote: show route 195.128.231.0/24 detail [..omitted..] AS path: AS2 PA[5]: 39792 35320 AS_TRANS AS_TRANS 35748 AS path: AS4 PA[4]: 35320 3.21 AS_TRANS 35748 AS path: Merged[5]: 39792 35320

Re: MAC address confusion

2009-02-28 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2009-02-28 22:38 +0100), JAKO Andras wrote: Hey, http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/oui.txt 02-07-01 (hex)RACAL-DATACOM After enabling DECnet routing, the interface MAC address turns to something like this: Hardware is BCM1250 Internal MAC, address is

Re: can I ask mtu question

2009-01-30 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2009-01-30 16:33 -0500), Ricky Beam wrote: That depends on the hardware. I've seen gear running as low as ~8k. I'd have to consult standard, but I think the max is 10k (10240). Which standard are you referring to? AFAIK, nothing above 1500 is standardised -- ++ytti

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-13 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2008-09-13 13:26 -0500), Brandon Ewing wrote: Hey Brandon, Are you sure? According to the IOS guide for 3560E/3750E, ip verify is still an unsupported interface command. I don't have a 3560E handy to test on, but I know that a non-E 3560 refuses it with a notice regarding how

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-11 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2008-09-11 00:50 -0700), Jo Rhett wrote: As someone who does a lot of work talking to NOCs trying to chase down attack sources, I can honestly tell you that I haven't talked to a single NOC in the last 16 months who had BCP38 on every port, or even on most of their ports. And the

Re: Cisco uRPF failures

2008-09-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2008-09-04 09:35 -0700), Jo Rhett wrote: quickly, but that turns out not to be the case. To this day I've never found a network operator using uRPF on Cisco gear. (note: network operator. it's probably fine for several-hundred-meg enterprise sites) To this day I've never met

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