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2011-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 08:37:55PM -0700, brian nikell nickell...@gmail.com wrote a message of 38 lines which said: Actually, Juniper does disclose code bugs. Though not always to the public at first, importantly to Juniper customers. Juniper had advised all of their customers last August

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2011-11-08 Thread Bjørn Mork
Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr writes: (Given the complexity of conditions required to trigger this issue, the probability of exploiting this defect is extremely low). Which translates to This bug has such catastrophic consequenses that we do not want to disclose how to trigger it.

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2011-11-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:21:37 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer said: I disagree. The official bug statement from Juniper in August was trying very hard to downplay the importance of the bug (Given the complexity of conditions required to trigger this issue, the probability of exploiting this defect

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2011-11-08 Thread Jack Bates
On 11/8/2011 12:05 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: And if JunOS is anything like CIsco IOS, a lot of shops didn't upgrade because the newer release has *other* issues in their environments. Nobody wants to upgrade to fix a once-ever-few-months bug if it also buys them a daily crash in

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2011-11-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Lassoff j...@thejof.com tangential sidenote It's too bad that Junipers bugs aren't listed publicly. For clueful network operations, having this information available to them could have enabled them to properly weigh the risk of evaluating and

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2011-11-07 Thread brian nikell
Actually, Juniper does disclose code bugs. Though not always to the public at first, importantly to Juniper customers. Juniper had advised all of their customers last August of this bug, however Level3 chose to continue running it on their peer routers. Thus if Level3 and its clue(full) management