Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

y, September 28, 2023 6:46:31 PM > > Subject: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in > receivership) > > > Somewhat related (at least one of the principals is the same) and > perhaps of > > interest to some here. While I have strong opinions on the top

Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

:-) > On Sep 30, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > Just like a lawyer, trying to add layers to the model. :) > > -mel > >> On Sep 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Anne Mitchell wrote: >> >>  >> >>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 11:20 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >>> >>> The seven lawyers of the OSI model >>

Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

ep 13, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > > > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. > > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: > https://archive.ph/jOFE4 > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net > > >

Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

Lol Le 30 septembre 2023 19:49:29 UTC, Mel Beckman a écrit : >Just like a lawyer, trying to add layers to the model. :) > > -mel > >> On Sep 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Anne Mitchell wrote: >> >>  >> >>> On Sep 29, 2023, at 11:20 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >>> >>> The seven lawyers of the OSI model >

Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

Just like a lawyer, trying to add layers to the model. :) -mel > On Sep 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Anne Mitchell wrote: > >  > >> On Sep 29, 2023, at 11:20 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> The seven lawyers of the OSI model >> >> 1: Family lawyer (where it all starts) >> 2: Admiralty lawyer >> 3:

Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 11:20 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > The seven lawyers of the OSI model > > 1: Family lawyer (where it all starts) > 2: Admiralty lawyer > 3: Intellectual Property lawyer (because, of course) > 4. Immigration lawyer > 5. Real Estate lawyer > 6. Entertainment lawyer > 7. Labo

Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

wrote: Layer 8: People Layer 9: Money Layer 10: Lawyers. Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - From: "David Conrad" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2023 6:46:31 PM Subject: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership) Somewhat related (at le

Re: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

Layer 8: People Layer 9: Money Layer 10: Lawyers. Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - > From: "David Conrad" > To: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2023 6:46:31 PM > Subject: Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership) > S

Legal system as a weapon (was Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership)

yan Fields wrote: > > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. > > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: > https://archive.ph/jOFE4 > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net signature.asc

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 6:24 AM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > > https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/international/1813989-the-strange-case-of-africas-stolen-ip-addresses > "When African ISPs allocate IP addresses to all those new electronic devices, they will not be using the legacy IPv4 addresses AFRIN

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

legitimately issued those (closer to 6M) IP addresses to Cloud >>>> Innovation based on justifications submitted. AFRINIC then attempted, using >>>> claims that usage out of region is not permitted by the bylaws >>>> (It is not prohibited by the bylaws, feel free

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

gt;> rightful registrant of those >> addresses at the time and as of now. Until a court rules otherwise (which >> is very unlikely at this point), >> they don’t “own” the addresses, but they do “own” the rights to those >> registrations in the AFRINIC >> database.

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

much as they want.) > > Owen > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:09 AM Bryan Fields > wrote: > >> On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >> > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. >> > >> > Afrinic placed in rec

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

htful registrant of those >>> addresses at the time and as of now. Until a court rules otherwise >>> (which is very unlikely at this point), >>> they don’t “own” the addresses, but they do “own” the rights to those >>> registrations in the AFRINIC >>> databa

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

ually free to use the >>> number 5 as much as they want.) >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:09 AM Bryan Fields >>> <mailto:br...@bryanfields.net>> wrote: >>>>> On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >>>>> > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. >>>>> > >>>>> > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six >>>>> > months: >>>>> > https://archive.ph/jOFE4 >>>>> >>>>> Looks like archive.ph <http://archive.ph/> is having problems. This is >>>>> the original article. >>>>> >>>>> > https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/2c6pnx4ymt7sd5c493wg0/news/exclusive-afrinic-placed-in-receivership-board-elections-to-be-held-in-six-months >>>>> -- >>>>> Bryan Fields >>>>> >>>>> 727-409-1194 - Voice >>>>> http://bryanfields.net <http://bryanfields.net/> >>>

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

they do “own” the rights to those >> registrations in the AFRINIC >> database. >> >> (Nobody “owns” any integers… Everyone remains equally free to use the >> number 5 as much as they want.) >> >> Owen >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

) > > Owen > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:09 AM Bryan Fields > wrote: > >> On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >> > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. >> > >> > Afrinic placed in receivership, board

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

> CI didn’t sue AFRINIC for nothing. AFRINIC, in violation of the actual text > of their bylaws attempted > to revoke CI space and created major disruptions to a number of networks in > the process. Had CI > not received the injunctions they got from the courts, likely the disruption > would hav

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >> > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. >> > >> > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: >> > https://archive.ph/jOFE4 >> >> Looks like archive.ph <http://ar

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

IPs. On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:09 AM Bryan Fields wrote: On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. > > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: > https://archive.ph/jO

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

ryan Fields wrote: > > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. > > > > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: > > https://archive.ph/jOFE4 > > Looks like archive.ph is having problems. This is the original article

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

* nanog@nanog.org (Owen DeLong via NANOG) [Fri 15 Sep 2023, 19:26 CEST]: On Sep 15, 2023, at 06:30, Noah wrote: On Fri, 15 Sept 2023, 15:53 John Curran, wrote: Indeed, that was a less than ideal situation – but I will note that the technical advisor was sent away by the Receiver once the Rec

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

> On Sep 15, 2023, at 06:30, Noah wrote: > > > > On Fri, 15 Sept 2023, 15:53 John Curran, > wrote: >> Noah - >> >> Indeed, that was a less than ideal situation – but I will note that the >> technical advisor was sent away by the Receiver once the Receiver was >>

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

That’s a legal question, and so should be answered by a lawyer of competent jurisdiction… I am not such an individual, but I do understand that for parties that have a bona fide business interest with AFRINIC, it should be possible to contact the honorable receiver in order to obtain clarity o

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

Are amicus briefs a thing in the court governing AFRINIC's operations? Le 15 septembre 2023 15:27:33 UTC, John Curran a écrit : >Noah - > >I have had serious concerns with the operational risk posed by AFRINIC’s lack >of governance body and lack of CEO – and thus have provided updates to NANOG

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

Noah - I have had serious concerns with the operational risk posed by AFRINIC’s lack of governance body and lack of CEO – and thus have provided updates to NANOG several times to keep the community informed – but now there is finally a clear path to resolution; a situation that I see as far bet

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

On Fri, 15 Sept 2023, 15:53 John Curran, wrote: > Noah - > > Indeed, that was a less than ideal situation – but I will note that the > technical advisor was sent away by the Receiver once the Receiver was > apprised of his litigation against AFRINIC. > John It was not a less than ideal situatio

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

Noah - Indeed, that was a less than ideal situation – but I will note that the technical advisor was sent away by the Receiver once the Receiver was apprised of his litigation against AFRINIC. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On Sep 15, 2023,

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

On Fri, 15 Sept 2023, 15:06 John Curran, wrote: > Indeed - AFRINIC has been going through quite a bit over the few months – > including loss of their governing board – but the receiver appointment > actually provides a fairly straightforward path towards resolution. > John, The receiver appoint

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 9:04 AM John Curran wrote: > > Indeed - AFRINIC has been going through quite a bit over the few months – > including loss of their governing board – but the receiver appointment > actually provides a fairly straightforward path towards resolution. > > See the NRO statemen

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

2023, at 3:08 AM, Bryan Fields wrote: On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: I think this qualifies as potentially operational. Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: https://archive.ph/jOFE4 Looks like archive.ph is having problems. This is the

Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > I think this qualifies as potentially operational. > > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: > https://archive.ph/jOFE4 Looks like archive.ph is having problems. This is the original artic

AFRINIC placed in receivership

I think this qualifies as potentially operational. Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six months: https://archive.ph/jOFE4 -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net