Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-03 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 19:10 , Randy Bush wrote: > > if AS numbers are unused, what operational difference does it make? > > but if you have the gloves and long forceps needed to deal with the rir > policy , then there is a real need for inter-region AS transfer. > > randy Why?

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-03 Thread Owen DeLong
nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:11:57 PM > Subject: Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time > > Inaccurate whois data from ARIN is not a good way to tell anything as > ARIN is terrible to deal with when you need to update an address or > phone n

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-03 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:16 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > EXISTING number resources in ARIN region in particular are serviced under > the RSA contract that include terms specifically informs the end user that > ARIN is disclaiming itself from having any ability or authority to >

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-03 Thread Mike Hammett
-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Noble" <sno...@sonn.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:11:57 PM Subject: Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Inaccurate whois data from ARIN is not a good way to tell anything as

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, James Breeden wrote: > I.e. some form of ARIN or global policy that basically says "If AS number > not routed or whois updated or used in 24 months, said AS number can be > public noticed via mailing list and website and then revoked and

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Julien Goodwin
Internet Exchange route servers would be another case that would appear unused to the broader internet, but shouldn't use a private ASN. On 03/01/18 14:40, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:46 PM, James Breeden wrote: > >> >> I'm amazed at the number of

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Martin List-Petersen
On 03/01/18 03:40, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:46 PM, James Breeden wrote: I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not actively being used. 'not actuvely being used' ... how would you (or anyone) know? what if they were

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:46 PM, James Breeden wrote: > > I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not actively > being used. 'not actuvely being used' ... how would you (or anyone) know? what if they were used only on some internal part of a large

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Randy Bush
if AS numbers are unused, what operational difference does it make? but if you have the gloves and long forceps needed to deal with the rir policy , then there is a real need for inter-region AS transfer. randy

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/2/18 2:46 PM, James Breeden wrote: And before you come back with "Well they may be using it internally where it doesn't need to be in the GRT" - that's why we have Private AS numbers. I.e. some form of ARIN or global policy that basically says "If AS number not routed or whois updated

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:46 PM, James Breeden wrote: > I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not actively > being used. I'm not talking just like they are offline for a week or month, > this is complete non-use of the AS in the global routing table

RE: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Naslund, Steve
ry 02, 2018 5:12 PM >To: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time > >Inaccurate whois data from ARIN is not a good way to tell anything as ARIN is >terrible to deal with when you need to update an address or phone number or >anything.

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Job Snijders
Dear James, On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 10:46:35PM +, James Breeden wrote: > Before I take this to the ARIN PPML, wanted to get NANOG's thoughts. > > I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not > actively being used. I'm not talking just like they are offline for a > week

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Steve Noble
Inaccurate whois data from ARIN is not a good way to tell anything as ARIN is terrible to deal with when you need to update an address or phone number or anything. I know personally as I had to fight for years to update the data on an ASN that ARIN was billing me to manage the data for.

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Mark Andrews
Just because a number is NOT VISIBLE on the global Internet, it does NOT mean that it is not IN USE. This applies to IPv4 addresses, IPv6 addresses and AS numbers. Apart from legacy IPv4 addresses and legacy AS, these resources require annual payments to maintain the assignment from the RIR.

Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, James Breeden said: > I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not actively > being used. I'm not talking just like they are offline for a week or month, > this is complete non-use of the AS in the global routing table within >

AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time

2018-01-02 Thread James Breeden
Before I take this to the ARIN PPML, wanted to get NANOG's thoughts. I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not actively being used. I'm not talking just like they are offline for a week or month, this is complete non-use of the AS in the global routing table within