Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 01:56:55PM +0300, Rogelio wrote: > On Apr 26, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > > > > > Would it turn out to be less expensive to just start a new subscription as > > if you never had one before? > > Usually places like this do it by serial number, in which case the

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Apr 26, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: > > Would it turn out to be less expensive to just start a new subscription as if > you never had one before? Usually places like this do it by serial number, in which case they don't let you update until you backpay. :)

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

> > > While I agree with you (in theory), in practice, lots of companies do this > baloney and there is little you can do if you need their product. > > In fact, I just got screwed by this policy at Fluke Networks when I tried > to renew my subscription to one of their tools. > Would it turn out t

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Apr 9, 2011, at 6:51 AM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > OK, its been a year since my Barracuda subscription expired. The unit still > stops some spam. I figured that I would go and see what they would do if I > tried to renew my subscription EXACTLY one year after it expired. Would their

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

Thanks to all for your suggestions. We've had several other problems with our Barracuda box as well including the fact that it is very under-powered and that the web interface for admin stuff seems to freeze up and only send partial http responses back after log queries. Think will probably m

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

am Subject: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative? To: "John Palmer (NANOG Acct)", John, My suggestion isn't _QUITE_ an appliance, but it works very well and I've been exceptionally happy with it. It's a distribution of linux contr

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On 09/04/2011 10:37, Bryan Irvine wrote: As do some states with automotive registration. It's a quite normal practice. If you're in a monopoly or near-monopoly position, you can get away with screwing over your customer base. If you're in a competitive market, practices like support catch-up

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

* Justin Scott: >> No such luck: They want me to PAY FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR for >> which I did NOT receive service and then for the current (upcoming >> year). Sorry - I don't allow myself to be ripped off like that. > > Hi John, this is actually a pretty common practice for service > subscription mod

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

TR Shaw wrote: Get a linux box or whatever and roll your own. ASSP, DSPAM, Spamassin, or other open source ASSP + exim, on Debian, for sure. BUT, ASSP as of now does not support IPv6 so I am not able to hang my spamfilter on an IPv6 address. :-( Contacting the maintainers is met with utter

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

Not an appliance but a really amazing job at stopping spam, www.messagelabs.com (purchased by Symantec). We went from messagelabs service to barracuda appliance and the difference is astronomical, whereas before i might get one or two spams a day using MessageLabs now with the barracuda I get an

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Tom Hill wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 12:10 +0200, Gabriel Marais wrote: I have 6 MailScanner servers in production running with Postfix, not had any 'real' issues in the last few years. We have just as many -- and yes, it's great. The only thing I'd prefer would be Exim

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

> We have just as many -- and yes, it's great. > > The only thing I'd prefer would be Exim over Postfix, but Mailscanner > does make things very pleasant to use. +1 for Exim, although development stalled for a while when Philip Hazel retired its now back on track. Also not happy with Barracud

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 12:10 +0200, Gabriel Marais wrote: > I have 6 MailScanner servers in production running with Postfix, not > had any 'real' issues in the last few years. We have just as many -- and yes, it's great. The only thing I'd prefer would be Exim over Postfix, but Mailscanner does ma

RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

le...@lewis.org] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 7:56 AM To: Ray Corbin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative? On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Ray Corbin wrote: > I had experience with Barracuda as outbound anti-spam filters for > a very l

RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Ray Corbin wrote: I had experience with Barracuda as outbound anti-spam filters for a very large hosting provider and I won't use Barracuda again. Some of their methods for blocking spam are a tad extreme. At one point they decided to block both yahoo.com and google.com in

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On 2011/04/09 11:38 AM, Phil Regnauld wrote: Tim Chown (tjc) writes: I don't know quite how high a performance you need. If it's just email spam/viruses you are concerned with, you can run MailScanner for free, see http://www.mailscanner.info. It's been around for 10 years now and used by a lot

RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

I wonder if there's a filter for top-postings in list that have a bottom-posting rule? This thread is very operationally interesting to me but I've lost the plot :( http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/listfaqs/generalfaq.php?qt=convent refers. PS: I know that some devices actually prevent bottom-po

Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative

You get their filtering power for free and don't have to deal with the hardware, if you don't particularly like it. http://www.barracudacentral.org/ That's not completely true; the Barracuda appliance uses both block-lists and content-based filtering. The block-list is free for anyone who

RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

sage- From: pr...@cnsny.net [mailto:pr...@cnsny.net] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:56 AM To: Andrew Kirch; John Palmer (NANOG Acct); nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative? Andrew, We use and offer Postini - a front end service.

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

A barracuda appliance uses postfix, amavisd-new, spamassassin with fuzzyOCR and clamav. I've built a couple of these boxes for customers. I use their dnsbl as well as spamhaus. It works pretty well, not much gets through. --Curtis On 4/10/2011 8:24 PM, William Warren wrote: On 4/9/2011

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On 4/9/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Runkel wrote: Ok, shameless plug here, but I invite you to check out our product @ www.untangle.com. Base product (including anti-spam) is free. If you want support/web filtering/ or better spam rules they are available as premium add-ons

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

I agree. Simple clean perl proxy. Lots of GUI config. Can use ClamAV and other AV systems. Easy to deploy. Is no brainer to manage. Comes in single and multithreaded. Your call. I get a lot of email through the single thread version. Handles TLS and more. http://sourceforge.net/projects/assp

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

The best of them is A.S.S.P. and it works wonder I have deployed a couple and I love it Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 12:46, Elijah Savage wrote: > FreeBSD, Postfix, Amavisd, Spamassassin, Clamav and TLS > > I have seen and deployed this combination as a mail relay to exchange both

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

It's quite easy to build your own [out of open-source components] that easily outperforms any appliance on the market. (Which isn't saying much: none of them are very good, and all of them are way overpriced. The bar is thus set quite low.) It will not have all the superfluous bells and whistles

Re: Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

Because I don't need any of the cute and fluffy features like a quarantine spambox, I just use the barracuda rbl along with a few others. You get their filtering power for free and don't have to deal with the hardware, if you don't particularly like it. http://www.barracudacentral.org/ --  

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

FreeBSD, Postfix, Amavisd, Spamassassin, Clamav and TLS I have seen and deployed this combination as a mail relay to exchange both in and out of large organizations 35,000 plus hosting multiple domains as well as small organizations. With a few scripts it is essentially self containing very lit

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

At Sunflower, we use Ironports for our mail filtering. Have been really happy with the product. The reason you explained is a reason we didn't go with Barracuda. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Marc Runkel wrote: > Ok, shameless plug here, but I invite you to check out our product @ > www.untan

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

Ok, shameless plug here, but I invite you to check out our product @ www.untangle.com. Base product (including anti-spam) is free. If you want support/web filtering/ or better spam rules they are available as premium add-ons. Marc Runkel Untangle, Inc. Director, Tec

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

Verizon Wireless Phone - Reply message - From: "Andrew Kirch" Date: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:39 am Subject: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative? To: "John Palmer (NANOG Acct)" , John, My suggestion isn't _QUITE_ an applianc

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

John, My suggestion isn't _QUITE_ an appliance, but it works very well and I've been exceptionally happy with it. It's a distribution of linux controlled via a web interface that does far more than just mail filtering (at which it is both flexible and adept). Take a look at http://www.clearfound

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:51 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > OK, its been a year since my Barracuda subscription expired. The unit still > stops some spam. I figured that I would go and see what they would do if I > tried to renew my subscription EXACTLY one year after it expired. Would their

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

It's quite easy to build your own [out of open-source components] that easily outperforms any appliance on the market. (Which isn't saying much: none of them are very good, and all of them are way overpriced. The bar is thus set quite low.) It will not have all the superfluous bells and whistles

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

- Original Message - > From: "Jeffrey Lyon" [ Charging back rent on your appliance ] > Juniper does this also. To pick a slightly different milieu, the Zimbra email system does not; if you let your support contract lapse, you simply aren't entitled to support while it's inactive. Or a

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

Tim Chown (tjc) writes: > > I don't know quite how high a performance you need. If it's just email > spam/viruses you are concerned with, you can run MailScanner for free, > see http://www.mailscanner.info. It's been around for 10 years now and > used by a lot of big organisations, many of which a

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

As do some states with automotive registration. It's a quite normal practice. -B On Apr 9, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > Juniper does this also. > > Jeff > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:51 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) > wrote: >> OK, its been a year since my Barracuda subscription

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On 9 Apr 2011, at 04:56, Dobbins, Roland wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2011, at 10:51 AM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > >> My question is - does anyone have any suggestions for another e-mail >> appliance like the Barracuda Spam Firewall that doesn't try to charge their >> customers for time not u

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

Juniper does this also. Jeff On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:51 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > OK, its been a year since my Barracuda subscription expired. The unit still > stops some spam. I figured that I would go and see what they would do if I > tried to renew my subscription EXACTLY one ye

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

> No such luck: They want me to PAY FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR for > which I did NOT receive service and then for the current (upcoming > year). Sorry - I don't allow myself to be ripped off like that. Hi John, this is actually a pretty common practice for service subscription models where the software an

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

On Apr 9, 2011, at 10:51 AM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: > My question is - does anyone have any suggestions for another e-mail > appliance like the Barracuda Spam Firewall that doesn't try to charge their > customers for time not used -

Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

OK, its been a year since my Barracuda subscription expired. The unit still stops some spam. I figured that I would go and see what they would do if I tried to renew my subscription EXACTLY one year after it expired. Would their renewal website say "Oh, you are at your anniversary date", and rene