Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-06 Thread Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
, Rajiv On May 3, 2014, at 5:29 AM, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Subject: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)] Date: Fri, May 02, 2014 at 03:58:42PM -0600 Quoting Chris Grundemann (cgrundem...@gmail.com): Would you

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-06 Thread Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
Mark, about leveraging SR to push native IPv6 support into MPLS, Segment routing (SR) could/would certainly work with single-stack v6 and enable MPLS forwarding. Cheers, Rajiv On May 5, 2014, at 3:36 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On Monday, May 05, 2014 09:27:37 AM

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-06 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:27:09 AM Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote: Segment routing (SR) could/would certainly work with single-stack v6 and enable MPLS forwarding. Certainly, but based on the Paris meeting, it was not high up on the agenda. So we will, likely, have to rely on other solutions

RE: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-06 Thread Vitkovský Adam
From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.ti...@seacom.mu] On Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:27:09 AM Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote: Segment routing (SR) could/would certainly work with single-stack v6 and enable MPLS forwarding. Certainly, but based on the Paris meeting, it was not high up on the

RE: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-05 Thread Vitkovský Adam
Ideally, we would have a solution where an entire MPLS infrastructure could be built without v4 space, demoting v4 to a legacy application inside a VRF, but the MPLS standards wg seems content with status quo. There is work ongoing in the MPLS IETF WG on identifying the gaps that

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, May 05, 2014 09:27:37 AM Vitkovský Adam wrote: You mean the SR right? No, I mean: draft-george-mpls-ipv6-only-gap-05 The draft looks at issues that need to be fixed for MPLS to run in a single-stack IPv6 network. Of course, there is other work that is looking at fixing

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-05 Thread Rob Seastrom
Randy Bush ra...@psg.com writes: Ah, so you're in the camp that a /10 given to one organization for their private use would have been better than reserving that /10 for _everyone_ to use. We'll have to agree to disagree there. you forced an rfc allocation. that makes public space, and is

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday, May 03, 2014 11:26:27 AM Måns Nilsson wrote: Ideally, we would have a solution where an entire MPLS infrastructure could be built without v4 space, demoting v4 to a legacy application inside a VRF, but the MPLS standards wg seems content with status quo. There is work ongoing in

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday, May 03, 2014 08:23:43 PM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I know lots of people who run vpnv4 separately from ipv4 and ipv6 (so they have 3 sessions). The ones I talked to intends to run vpnv6 separately as well. Except that VPNv6, today, relies on MPLSv4. So it's not pure yet. Mark.

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday, May 03, 2014 07:24:24 PM Vitkovský Adam wrote: Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of other AFs on the common v4 TCP

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net wrote: Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them? Or is it better to put v4 in the v6 session or v6 in the v4 session?

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Paul S.
As precaution, you should always deny ipv6 unicast on v4 sessions, and vice versa. On 5/3/2014 午後 03:01, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net wrote: Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)] Date: Fri, May 02, 2014 at 03:58:42PM -0600 Quoting Chris Grundemann (cgrundem...@gmail.com): Would you expound a bit on what you mean here? I don't quite follow but I am very interested

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Randy Bush
a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, just more 1918. randy

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: The fact that you need v4 space to build a MPLS backbone is a very good reason to not waste a /10 on CGN crap. Ah, so you're in the camp that a /10 given to one organization for their private use would have been

RE: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Vitkovský Adam
Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of other AFs on the common v4 TCP session, maybe apart from couple of the big folks, who can afford

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, just more 1918. A good number of folks use other folks IP space in all kinds of strange

RE: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Vitkovský Adam wrote: Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of other AFs on the common v4 TCP session, maybe apart

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread joel jaeggli
On 5/3/14, 10:36 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: a good number of us use that kinky /10 behind home nats and encourage everyone to do so. it was a sick deal and should be treated as such, just more 1918. A good number of folks use

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-03 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le 03/05/2014 20:23, Mikael Abrahamsson a écrit : On Sat, 3 May 2014, Vitkovský Adam wrote: Sure it's a different transport protocol altogether, anyways It's interesting to see how everybody tends to separate the IPv4 and IPv6 AFs onto a different TCP sessions and still run the plethora of

Re: Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-03 Thread Randy Bush
Ah, so you're in the camp that a /10 given to one organization for their private use would have been better than reserving that /10 for _everyone_ to use. We'll have to agree to disagree there. you forced an rfc allocation. that makes public space, and is and will be used as such. you wanted

Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-02 Thread Deepak Jain
Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them? Or is it better to put v4 in the v6 session or v6 in the v4 session? According to docs, obviously all of these are supported and if both sides

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 2, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net wrote: Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them? Or is it better to put v4 in the v6 session or v6 in the v4 session? We use

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-02 Thread Laszlo Hanyecz
Two different sessions using two different transport protocols. The v4 BGP session should have address family v6 disabled and vice versa. Exchange v4 routes over a v4 TCP connection, exchange v6 routes over a v6 TCP connection. Just treat them as independent protocols. -Laszlo On May 2,

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-02 Thread Ryan Wilkins
Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them? Or is it better to put v4 in the v6 session or v6 in the v4 session? According to docs, obviously all of these are supported and if both

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-02 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack) Date: Fri, May 02, 2014 at 07:44:33PM + Quoting Deepak Jain (dee...@ai.net): Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them

Shared Transition Space VS. BGP Next Hop [was: Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)]

2014-05-02 Thread Chris Grundemann
Hi Mans, On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.orgwrote: This is a field where v4 next-hops are essential to make things work. rantIn that context, allocating 100.64.0.0/10 to CGN was especially un-clever... /rant Would you expound a bit on what you mean here? I

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-02 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On May 2, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net wrote: Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them?

Re: Best practices IPv4/IPv6 BGP (dual stack)

2014-05-02 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 2, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Deepak Jain dee...@ai.net wrote: Between peering routers on a dual-stacked network, is it considered best practices to have two BGP sessions (one for v4 and one for v6) between them? Or is it better to put v4 in the v6 session or v6 in the v4 session?