Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On 10/11/19 8:01 AM, Ethan O'Toole wrote: >> request went all the way to the Court.  The reason for access?  They ran >> the electronics on bottled propane (NOT mains power AC) and they needed >> to swap full tanks for the empties.  This was several months into my >> stint on that site. >> Not all

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

request went all the way to the Court. The reason for access? They ran the electronics on bottled propane (NOT mains power AC) and they needed to swap full tanks for the empties. This was several months into my stint on that site. Not all generators run on diesel, I learned. You can drive a

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On 10/10/19 8:46 PM, Javier J wrote: > I have an alternative view. the more generators are running, the more > trucks semt to refuel the tanks, the more moving parts, the more likely an > accident is prone to happen somewhere. It's thr same reason you turn your > vehicles engine off when you fill

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

A pre-announced power shut-down is a bit like an open-book disaster exam. If a city wasn't prepared for a blackout, its going to be a lot worse after a major earthquake (or other catastrophe) hits. PG CEO Bill Johnson admitted during a Thursday evening press conference that the utility

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

I have an alternative view. the more generators are running, the more trucks semt to refuel the tanks, the more moving parts, the more likely an accident is prone to happen somewhere. It's thr same reason you turn your vehicles engine off when you fill up at the gas station. Diesel doesn't

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

Sean, A diesel generator sparking a fire is extremely unlikely. A diesel generator by code must have a clear, nonflammable, area around it, and a spark arrestor on the exhaust to protect against burning particles in the exhaust. Diesel generators are not even a listed cause according to the

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I just hope the next fire is not sparked by a diesel generator that is running because commercial power is off. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 3:48 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > > AT statement: > > Like all PG customers, we are also affected by this power shutdown. > Overall our network continues to

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

Comcast statement: Hi. Parts of our network that connect to your Xfinity service may be in areas where the commercial power is off leading to a disruption. Once power is fully restored to those parts of the network, and it is safe to do so, we will restore service ASAP.

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

AT statement: Like all PG customers, we are also affected by this power shutdown. Overall our network continues to perform well and is operating at more than 97% of normal. We are aware that service for some customers may be affected by this event and are working as quickly as possible to

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

Reminds me of Enron days. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 10/10/19 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started > >> Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk > >> areas. > > not

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On 10/10/19 10:40 AM, Randy Bush wrote: Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. not exactly the diablo winds are way north in the state. but much of the power for the big metros is bought

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

Sean, You might be thinking of the Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, also known as the Enron Debacle. Indeed PG’s hands were tied via regulation while Enron, “The Smartest Guys in the Room”, cheated the market, electrical customers, and investors out of billions of dollars. The

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

> Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started > Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk > areas. not exactly the diablo winds are way north in the state. but much of the power for the big metros is bought from the hydros in the northwest and

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On 10/9/19 2:15 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan > wrote: Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. Wasn't

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

Electrical arcing happens around the country. The difference is that California, through years of unwise restrictions on vegetation control, has millions of acres of dry fuel near these powerlines. In the early 1990s, a series of restrictions were placed on logging in the West to protect the

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, at 08:02, Mel Beckman wrote: > The fire risk is from electrical transmission lines, not from end users > of electrical power. The underlying problem is that the State’s rules > for line separation were ill-considered, making it possible for > high-enough winds to cause

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: So, during a Power shut-off because of wild*fire* risk, operators are supposed to be able to re-charge batteries and supply generators with fuel (I suppose diesel, regular gas being even worse) in the affected areas ? Did I understand things

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Radu, The fire risk is from electrical transmission lines, not from end users of electrical power. The underlying problem is that the State’s rules for line separation were ill-considered, making it possible for high-enough winds to cause “line slapping” and the resultant arcing that ignite

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, at 22:26, Sean Donelan wrote: > - Will this affect cellphone service? > > Generally no because this is a power shutoff, without other disaster > damage. All major switching offices have backup generators for 24 > to 72 hours and nearly all cell towers and outside plant

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The National Weather Service forcast changed a little this afternoon, with a later onset of high-winds this evening/early morning hours. But like surfers on Florida coasts before a hurricane hits, some California folks are saying they don't see any wind -now-. Of course, the forcast is about

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Isn't this a topic for an outage list? Or a power grid list? Chuck On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 5:28 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, William Herrin wrote: > > Wasn't California in a similar mess 20 years ago when government > regulation > > at the time also put PG in the position that

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, William Herrin wrote: Wasn't California in a similar mess 20 years ago when government regulation at the time also put PG in the position that they couldn't deliver the electricity their customers wanted? Something to do with hard limits on what PG could do but few limits on

RE: California public safety power shutdowns

> William Herrin wrote : > Wasn't California in a similar mess 20 years ago when government regulation > at the time also put PG in the position that they couldn't deliver > the electricity their customers wanted? Something to do with hard limits on > what PG could do but few limits on what

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public > Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. > Wasn't California in a similar mess 20 years ago when government regulation at the time also

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On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, Sean Donelan wrote: - Will this affect cellphone service? [...] Remember, Cable and DSL VOIP and in-home wireless phones need electric power to operate. There are fewer and fewer copper-fed POTS lines with power from the telephone central office. Thanks to the person

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

Questions & some answers... - Will this affect public water supply? Generally no. Public water supplies have backup generators. Since this is only a power shut-off, and no other damage or disaster to the water system, public water systems will operate as normal. Nevertheless, its always a

Re: California public safety power shutdowns

On Oct 9, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public > Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. > > Shut-offs are taking place in three phases. PG began shutoffs at midnight > in Northern

California public safety power shutdowns

Pacific Gas & Electric and Southern California Edison have started Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS) in California wildfire high-risk areas. Shut-offs are taking place in three phases. PG began shutoffs at midnight in Northern California and the North Bay counties, while the rest of the