Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 5:17 PM Aaron Wendel wrote: > I think you're reading it incorrectly. > > The US government and many other countries have imposed sanctions > against Russia and barred businesses in those countries from doing > business in Russia. Cogent is a US based company and, even if

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

> On Mar 7, 2022, at 07:07 , Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > JeffP wrote: > >> Actually, try this: >> https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0628 > > Are you saying "sanctioning numerous Russian elites and their > family members" has something to do with NANOG? > >

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The key paragraph, to which I direct your attention, is located at the bottom of the press release, and may contribute to the calculations that Cogent and other companies, with the advice of their lawyers, not some idiot without a law degree like me,

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Yet another trash understanding from Jeff. Give it a break dude! -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Mar 7, 2022, at 09:07, Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > JeffP wrote: > >> Actually,

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Tom Beecher wrote: If providers start making their own determinations about what is and isn't 'ok', it's a road to massive segmentation and separation of the internet. That's what GAFA has been doing at the application layer, which is more effective than similar attempts at the networking

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

JeffP wrote: Actually, try this: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0628 Are you saying "sanctioning numerous Russian elites and their family members" has something to do with NANOG? Masataka Ohta

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

> > However, it could also be that given the quick rise in cyber warfare that > they do not want to be caught in the crossfire and carrying and dealing > with the loads of DDOS and pure hacking attempts going in both directions. > The burden of dealing with this as well as payment issues and maybe

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

Some are suggesting that the disconnect by Cogent is financially motivated. However, it could also be that given the quick rise in cyber warfare that they do not want to be caught in the crossfire and carrying and dealing with the loads of DDOS and pure hacking attempts going in both directions.

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Actually, try this: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0628 JeffP On 3/4/22 23:59, Masataka Ohta wrote: Matthew Petach wrote: sanctions to

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

Matthew Petach wrote: sanctions to prohibit "the exportation or importation of any goods, services, or technology" is "to or from the Crimea region of Ukraine", not Russia. That document is from 2016. Oops. I suspect there's a more recent one related to the current situation. ^_^;

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 11:00 PM Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > Sean Donelan wrote: > > > The Russia sanctions are different (see a lawyer), > > It seems to me that, according to > > > https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/ukraine_overview_of_sanctions.pdf > >

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Sean Donelan wrote: The Russia sanctions are different (see a lawyer), It seems to me that, according to https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/ukraine_overview_of_sanctions.pdf sanctions to prohibit "the exportation or importation of any goods, services, or technology" is "to

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 14:03 , Matthew Petach wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Martin Hannigan > wrote: > > I would argue they don't have much of a choice: > > "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the > increasingly

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, Martin Hannigan wrote: I would argue they don't have much of a choice: "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to continue to provide you with service." I would expect

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

I feel that the reclamation of IP address space will be more painful than the loss of connectivity, ouch. -Jorge > On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:12 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > > Here’s a paywall-free version: > > https://archive.ph/TFgyg > > > Andy Ringsmuth > 5609 Harding Drive > Lincoln,

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> > With the sanctions in place, how would Cogent get paid for providing > service? > As has been said previously, taking preemptive actions based on what MAY or MAY NOT occur is a slippery slope to be on. On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 6:47 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:15 PM

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> With the sanctions in place, how would Cogent get paid for providing service? Even considering that payments are still flowing, there is still a risk of running afoul of sanctions. This supply chain is formally excluded from the sanctions, but the uncertainty around them made it stop doing

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:15 PM Bryan Fields wrote: > On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > > I would argue they don't have much of a choice: > > > > "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the > > increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for

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If sanctions were to come out after payment was received but before services are rendered, most providers would still not be able to provide the service. It’s also likely that banks in question can no longer forward funds from Russia, even if it were still possible to provide a service. I’m

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

I think you're reading it incorrectly. The US government and many other countries have imposed sanctions against Russia and barred businesses in those countries from doing business in Russia.  Cogent is a US based company and, even if it operates on foreign jurisdictions through subsidiaries,

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

On 3/4/22 2:03 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Martin Hannigan wrote: I would argue they don't have much of a choice: "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the increasingly uncertain security situation make it

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Martin Hannigan wrote: > > I would argue they don't have much of a choice: > > "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the > increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to > continue to provide you with

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: >> I would argue they don't have much of a choice: >> >> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the >> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 13:14 , Bryan Fields wrote: > > On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: >> I would argue they don't have much of a choice: >> >> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the >> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > I would argue they don't have much of a choice: > > "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the > increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to > continue to provide you with service." But Tier

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

I would argue they don't have much of a choice: "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to continue to provide you with service." I would expect to see others follow suit if that is the

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I *think* I see the connection you are trying to make, but this seems very much different if not completely opposite. American social media companies were/are banning/blocking some misinformation and lies. This (today) is the Russian state (Putin) outlawing the truth and any reporting that is

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

It seems the much more concerning news coming out now is that Russia is banning all foreign and independent media from BBC to Facebook and all in between with heavy threats of prison and fines.  So they are cutting themselves off presumably to keep the Russian people in the dark about what

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Cogent already does not provide access to the Internet, only to parts of the Internet, so this just changes the perimeter of their Intranet. That said, it's more likely they are afraid of sanctions and/or not getting paid for services than ideologically motivated. Rubens On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

It seems the much more concerning news coming out now is that Russia is banning all foreign and independent media from BBC to Facebook and all in between with heavy threats of prison and fines. So they are cutting themselves off presumably to keep the Russian people in the dark about what is

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

here's a Reuters which shouldn't be paywalled. https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-firm-cogent-cutting-internet-service-russia-2022-03-04/ Mike On 3/4/22 12:02 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote: The link will not connect, cannot make secure connection with archive.php. Here’s a paywall-free

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>>> The link will not connect, cannot make secure connection with archive.php. > >> Here’s a paywall-free version: > >> https://archive.ph/TFgyg FWIW, the WashPost link works for me, and I am not a paying subscriber, so I'd try that first, here it is again: >

RE: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

The link will not connect, cannot make secure connection with archive.php. -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 2:11 PM To: Michael Thomas Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia? Here’s a paywall-free version

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

Here’s a paywall-free version: https://archive.ph/TFgyg Andy Ringsmuth 5609 Harding Drive Lincoln, NE 68521-5831 (402) 304-0083 a...@andyring.com > On Mar 4, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > I know the link is paywalled, but it's super high level so not much is lost. >

Cogent cutting links to Russia?

I know the link is paywalled, but it's super high level so not much is lost. But what does everybody think of this? I imagine that just Cogent cutting them off isn't going to make much difference. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/