Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-05 Thread Baldur Norddahl
For some reason our network looks nothing like that. He either needs to define what a PoP is or define a module that does not have expensive gear like two redundant routers at every location. Regards Baldur tir. 4. jun. 2019 15.46 skrev Mehmet Akcin : > This Gem is fantastic by the way, > > >

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-05 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 5:44 AM William Waites wrote: > It's not enough to have monitoring and a ticket system. You need to pay > attention to them, care for them and feed them. I can't count the number > of ticket systems full of ancient and irrelevant things or monitoring > systems that people

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-05 Thread William Waites
On 06/03, Mel Beckman wrote: > I’m constantly amazed at the number of even medium-sized ISPs that have no > network monitoring. An NMS should go in as the first software component — > before billing starts and the provider is on the hook to deliver. > > The second lacking component is a ticket

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-04 Thread Randy Bush
> This Gem is fantastic by the way, > https://nsrc.org/workshops/2015/apricot2015/raw-attachment/wiki/Track1Agenda/01-ISP-Network-Design.pdf philip smith

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-04 Thread jim deleskie
triggered :) On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:31 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: > > On 6/4/19 9:20 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > > > On 3/Jun/19 15:41, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > >> > >> Here is your checklist in descending order of importance: > >> > >> 1. market opportunity > >> 2. finding the right

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-04 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 6/4/19 9:20 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 3/Jun/19 15:41, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: Here is your checklist in descending order of importance: 1. market opportunity 2. finding the right partners (see below) 3. financial 4. sales and marketing 5. organizational capacity and HR 6. legal,

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/Jun/19 15:41, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > > Here is your checklist in descending order of importance: > > 1. market opportunity > 2. finding the right partners (see below) > 3. financial > 4. sales and marketing > 5. organizational capacity and HR > 6. legal, regulatory > 7. capital

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-04 Thread Mehmet Akcin
This Gem is fantastic by the way, https://nsrc.org/workshops/2015/apricot2015/raw-attachment/wiki/Track1Agenda/01-ISP-Network-Design.pdf On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:57 AM Warren Kumari wrote: > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:34 PM Brandon Martin > wrote: > > > > On 6/3/19 9:56 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: >

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-04 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:34 PM Brandon Martin wrote: > > On 6/3/19 9:56 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: > > 3) Don't advertise one transit provider's routes to another. Each should > > be filtering your routes, but you never know. Come up with, and use > > BGP communities to control route

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-04 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:55 PM Fletcher Kittredge wrote: >> >> >> I would respectfully point out that my point about the importance of finding >> the right partners. For you, sounds like it was good to have opportunity to >> get out

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Brandon Martin
On 6/3/19 9:56 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: 3) Don't advertise one transit provider's routes to another.  Each should    be filtering your routes, but you never know.  Come up with, and use    BGP communities to control route propagation.  As you grow, it sucks    having to update prefix-list filters 

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:55 PM Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > > > I would respectfully point out that my point about the importance of finding > the right partners. For you, sounds like it was good to have opportunity to > get out of this venture. Oh, goodness yes -- however, I *still* have

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
I would respectfully point out that my point about the importance of finding the right partners. For you, sounds like it was good to have opportunity to get out of this venture. On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:40 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 1:09 PM Fletcher Kittredge > wrote: > >

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Justin Wilson
We have a fledgling web-site with information at http://startawisp.info/ Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net https://j2sw.com https://blog.j2sw.com > On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > > https://startyourownisp.com/ this is

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 1:09 PM Fletcher Kittredge wrote: > > > Here is your checklist in descending order of importance: > > market opportunity > finding the right partners (see below) > financial > sales and marketing > organizational capacity and HR > legal, regulatory > capital acquisition >

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 01:48:33PM +, Mel Beckman wrote: > I’m constantly amazed at the number of even medium-sized ISPs that have no > network monitoring. An NMS should go in as the first software component — > before billing starts and the provider is on the hook to deliver.

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
Here is your checklist in descending order of importance: 1. market opportunity 2. finding the right partners (see below) 3. financial 4. sales and marketing 5. organizational capacity and HR 6. legal, regulatory 7. capital acquisition 8. security 9. ... 10. ...

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Mehmet Akcin
https://startyourownisp.com/ this is also pretty good, just thought i would share.. On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:19 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > > > I am putting together a public DOs and DONTs blog post and would love to > > hear from those who have

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Mehmet Akcin wrote: I am putting together a public DOs and DONTs blog post and would love to hear from those who have built ISPs and have recommendations from Billing to Interconnection, Routing policy to Out of the band & console setup, Software recommendations, etc.

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Mehmet Akcin wrote: hi there, I know there are folks from lots of small ISPs here and I wanted to check-in on asking few advice points as I am involved building an ISP from green-field. Usually, it's pretty straight forward to cover high-level important things, filters,

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Mehmet Akcin
thank you, great start, just want to jump start to technical part AFTER deciding to start the ISP, and focus on operational, technical, and administrative things though. Question is no longer whether starting ISP is a good idea or not (but i agree this is needed and was already completed) thanks

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Mel Beckman
I’m constantly amazed at the number of even medium-sized ISPs that have no network monitoring. An NMS should go in as the first software component — before billing starts and the provider is on the hook to deliver. The second lacking component is a ticket system, which is silly because turnkey

Re: DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Cummings, Chris
and DONTs for small ISP hi there, I know there are folks from lots of small ISPs here and I wanted to check-in on asking few advice points as I am involved building an ISP from green-field. Usually, it's pretty straight forward to cover high-level important things, filters, routing policies, etc.but

DOs and DONTs for small ISP

2019-06-03 Thread Mehmet Akcin
hi there, I know there are folks from lots of small ISPs here and I wanted to check-in on asking few advice points as I am involved building an ISP from green-field. Usually, it's pretty straight forward to cover high-level important things, filters, routing policies, etc.but we all know the