t: Re: Fair Use Policy
A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have
literally millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering
negotiations. Perhaps more accurately, rather than saying "Google can afford
to start almost any project they want" we should say
On 08/23/12 10:51 +0430, Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote:
Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe
my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more:
You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited.
Limited Like:
512Kb-4GB-3Month
1024Kb-4GB-3Month
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shahab Vahabzadeh
wrote:
> Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe
> my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more:
> You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited.
> Limited Like:
> 512Kb-4GB-3Month
> 10
Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe
my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more:
You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited.
Limited Like:
512Kb-4GB-3Month
1024Kb-4GB-3Month
2048Kb-6GB-3Month
4096Kb-8GB-3Month
Unlimited Like:
12
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Sean Harlow wrote:
As far as I can tell, the actual cost of the bits being transferred is
so minuscule as to be practically irrelevant for anyone who's not at the
scale to be dealing directly with Tier 1 carriers. Capacity costs
money, but once it's there utilization is n
In message <391af4eb-239d-4982-8682-643253440...@seanharlow.info>, Sean Harlow
writes:
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote:
>
> > Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company,
> > etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty
> > broken.
>
On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote:
> Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company,
> etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty
> broken.
The difference is that gas, water, and electricity are all resources that have
actual costs releva
I just wish that someone...Google or ANYONE else would do something like Google
Fiber in the technological wasteland where I live instead of focusing only on
hotbeds of high-speed internet and well-connected customers like Kansas City,
parts of North Dakota, Minnesota, etc.
Here in my bandwidth
A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have literally
millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering negotiations. Perhaps
more accurately, rather than saying "Google can afford to start almost any
project they want" we should say "Google doesn't suffer the temptat
> Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are
> in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
> bandwidth,
... kind of like all the other major incumbents like at&t, Comcast, and
all those. Of course, the difference is that at&t, Comcast, etc., all
ha
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie wrote:
>> I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
>> An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
>> {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
>
> I don't belie
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:41 , Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie wrote:
>> I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
>> An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
>> {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
>
> I don't believe
On 8/22/12, Benjamin Krueger wrote:
> Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.
Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are
in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
bandwidth, with their Youtube, Google Search et al. As
Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.
http://fiber.google.com/
http://gigaom.com/2012/07/26/the-economics-of-google-fiber-and-what-it-means-for-u-s-broadband/
On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie wrote:
>> I how you are talking
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie wrote:
> I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
> An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
> {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I don't believe $5 even covers an ISP's typical cost of having a line,
le
On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:45 , Cameron Byrne wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>
>>> And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
>>>
>>
>> Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to
>> a certain amo
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:35, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to
> a certain amount
> (that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed
> thereafter.
The new plans being brought out are supposedly true unlimited, but
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>
>> And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
>>
>
> Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to
> a certain amount
> (that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibl
>
> And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
>
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to a
certain amount
(that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed thereafter.
(At least that's what their marketin
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Sean Harlow wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote:
>
>> An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
>> {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
>
> I agree entirely. The US is not exactly known for
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:17:14 -0400, Sean Harlow said:
> Wired internet providers should not even be thinking about caps below the 250
> GB/mo point. Neither of these example speeds can even reach that level, so if
> you feel the need to cap you are doing it wrong and should rethink your
> business
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote:
> An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
> {including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I agree entirely. The US is not exactly known for great broadband access,
particularly where I live in the mi
fairly affecting this problem.
> >> Some companies are using some polices for users to solve this problem.
> >> Do you have any Idea?
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think the firs
n Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the first step would be to define what you mean by fair use.
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking in the DMCA sense of the term, the legal sense of the
>>>> term as applies
>>>&
; Are you talking in the DMCA sense of the term, the legal sense of the
>>> term as applies
>>> to IP in other areas, or something else?
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>&
l policy
> engine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shahab Vahabzadeh
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:36:40
> To: Owen DeLong
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Fair Use Policy
>
> What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can change
> users shape time-base a
fair use.
>>
>> Are you talking in the DMCA sense of the term, the legal sense of the
>> term as applies
>> to IP in other areas, or something else?
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
to IP in other areas, or something else?
>
> Owen
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Everybody,
> > Has any body any good and easy setup idea for "Fair Use Policy" service
> for
> > my xdsl customers?!
> > Ca
Hello Everybody,
Has any body any good and easy setup idea for "Fair Use Policy" service for
my xdsl customers?!
Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and radius?
Thanks
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Regards,
Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
Cell Phone: +1
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