Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-08 Thread Robert Drake
On 7/7/2015 5:39 PM, Joe Greco wrote: Unclear at best. The way it is implemented, the user has the potential to go either way. A network might not want the user to have the choice, clearly, but there is certainly a subset of users who will opt out of the feature and I cannot see how those

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-08 Thread Joe Greco
On 7/7/2015 5:39 PM, Joe Greco wrote: Unclear at best. The way it is implemented, the user has the potential to go either way. A network might not want the user to have the choice, clearly, but there is certainly a subset of users who will opt out of the feature and I cannot see how

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-07 Thread Bacon Zombie
This is on by default in the beta like all the reporting in MS. Will probably be either a prompt in the RTM version. On 7 Jul 2015 05:05, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, Joe Greco wrote: Anyways, if you look on the first page of Customize settings, yes there's an

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:12:55 -0500, Joe Greco said: http://winaero.com/blog/windows-10-build-10074-features-a-reworked-setup-experience/ Anyways, if you look on the first page of Customize settings, yes there's an option for Automatically connect to networks shared by my contacts and it CAN

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-07 Thread Joe Greco
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:12:55 -0500, Joe Greco said: http://winaero.com/blog/windows-10-build-10074-features-a-reworked-setup-experience/ Anyways, if you look on the first page of Customize settings, yes there's an option for Automatically connect to networks shared by my contacts and

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-07 Thread Octavio Alvarez
On 06/07/15 19:12, Joe Greco wrote: Terrible idea. These are the kind of features that should be opt in, and Microsoft could have done that instead. It *is* an option. Opt-in and opt-out are two models of having an option. Also I meant being opt-out for the network administrator regarding

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-07 Thread Joe Greco
On 06/07/15 19:12, Joe Greco wrote: Terrible idea. These are the kind of features that should be opt in, and Microsoft could have done that instead. It *is* an option. Opt-in and opt-out are two models of having an option. Also I meant being opt-out for the network administrator

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-07 Thread Joe Greco
Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com writes: On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, Joe Greco wrote: Anyways, if you look on the first page of Customize settings, yes there's an option for Automatically connect to networks shared by my contacts and it CAN be turned off, but it defaults to on. Defaults matter.

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Hugo Slabbert
On Mon 2015-Jul-06 18:22:47 +, Andrew Bosch andrew.bo...@elca.org wrote: Does that happen with 802.1x logins, too? No. Andrew -- Hugo h...@slabnet.com: email, xmpp/jabber PGP fingerprint (B178313E): CF18 15FA 9FE4 0CD1 2319 1D77 9AB1 0FFD B178 313E (also on textsecure redphone)

RE: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Andrew Bosch
Does that happen with 802.1x logins, too? Andrew -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Richard Golodner Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 1:16 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread rdrake
On 07/06/2015 02:16 PM, Richard Golodner wrote: Mommy has an Android... Android shares your wifi password with Google. Including the password of everyone's wifi you've ever logged into.

Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Jay Ashworth
From Lauren, a new feature in Windows 10 I think this community probably wants to know about, to the extent you don't already. I *knew* I didn't like W10. :-) Cheers, -- jra - Forwarded Message - From: PRIVACY Forum mailing list priv...@vortex.com To: privacy-l...@vortex.com Sent:

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:29:53 -0700, Daniel C. Eckert said: try to verbally tell someone what the new SSID is? Bonus points for dealing with users in a context where you've had the same SSID for years. Bonus points for telling 40,000 users what the new campus SSID is Was Microsoft *trying*

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Yeah that's scary! I have seen similar feature across multiple apps on Android and iOS. To deal with them I do mac filtering along with WPA + separate guest network where I can share password. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:17 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:29:53

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Daniel C. Eckert
This isn't really an open source issue -- anybody can make foolish product design decisions regardless of licensing model. This is more about a vendor producing a feature that deliberately and shortsightedly creates a slew of problems impacting almost all existing networks anywhere. It's highly

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Richard Golodner
There is a reason why my family loves open source. My kid is learning Linux and she doesn't even know it. Mommy has an Android... On 07/06/2015 12:53 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: From Lauren, a new feature in Windows 10 I think this community probably wants to know about, to the extent you don't

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Richard Golodner
I long for the days of a good old fashion, bar, that made calls and received them. The smart phones are smarter than I am, but that is not much of a challenege either! On 07/06/2015 04:15 PM, rdrake wrote: On 07/06/2015 02:16 PM, Richard Golodner wrote: Mommy has an Android... Android

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with your friends' friends

2015-07-06 Thread Octavio Alvarez
Terrible idea. These are the kind of features that should be opt in, and Microsoft could have done that instead. Does the 802.11 beacon support TLV data, like setting some opt-out flag without changing the SSID? (Even if the the flag name hasn't been yet agreed on?) Would this be a bad idea?

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-06 Thread Joe Greco
Terrible idea. These are the kind of features that should be opt in, and Microsoft could have done that instead. It *is* an option. When you're setting up Windows 10, it asks you two screens of configuration questions, but most people will hit the Use express settings option and just blow past

Re: Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Windows 10 will share your Wi-Fi key with

2015-07-06 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, Joe Greco wrote: Anyways, if you look on the first page of Customize settings, yes there's an option for Automatically connect to networks shared by my contacts and it CAN be turned off, but it defaults to on. Defaults matter. Every configuration parameter has a default