Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

Edward- Tracker issues aside, as I called out earlier in the thread, by our own rules the newsletters should not be sent to this list in the first place. Citing NANOG Mailing List Usage Guidelines ( https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ ) : Posts to NANOG’s Mailing List should be

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

Dear Edward I am Interested to know how you are avoiding sharing data with MailChimp? To use MailChimp you are sharing email addresses. Adding any features that give you feedback introduces spyware and it's this spyware that gives you your data points after it has shared those data points

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

Randy, We do not buy, sell or share any data or personal information on anyone. MailChimp is only used to get data points on the effectiveness of our newsletter. We also try to get data on the effectiveness of our social media efforts. We do not look at individual behavior, only group

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

hread. So far. Springer > Ryan > > -- > *From:* Tom Beecher > *Sent:* Saturday, September 9, 2023 9:30:13 AM > *To:* Martin Hannigan > *Cc:* Ryan Hamel ; nanog@nanog.org > > *Subject:* Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming > ISOC Course + More >

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

One could argue that much of this behavior was the result of most of the internet preferring free, or nearly free, to paying for services so all this jiggery-pokery evolved to try to make money to pay for services and generate profits. I suppose in theory one could argue they could have charged

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

an > > -- > *From:* Tom Beecher > *Sent:* Saturday, September 9, 2023 9:30:13 AM > *To:* Martin Hannigan > *Cc:* Ryan Hamel ; nanog@nanog.org > *Subject:* Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming > ISOC Course + More > >

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 12:30 Tom Beecher wrote: > What network does Nanog-news operate? >> >> Marketing email doesn’t belong on an operational list. Even if its >> NANOG marketing itself. (Ack Kentik non involvement). >> > > This is the right comment. > > The NANOG Mailing List Usage

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

things? Y'all have been making a mountain out of a molehill. Ryan From: Tom Beecher Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2023 9:30:13 AM To: Martin Hannigan Cc: Ryan Hamel ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

gt; -- >> *From:* NANOG on behalf of >> Randy Bush >> *Sent:* Friday, September 8, 2023 5:25 PM >> *To:* John Gilmore >> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org >> *Subject:* Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for >> Upcoming ISOC C

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

A friend once commented, "If it's free, -=YOU=- are the product." It should be updated to, "If it's free, -=YOU & EVERYONE YOU INTERACT WITH=- are the product." /herb On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 10:25 AM John Gilmore wrote: > It is totally possible to turn off the spyware in MailChimp. You just >

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

Ryan Hamel wrote: > For you to say, "my privacy has been sold", is simply not true. I agree with you somewhat about tracking links. They only spy on a person when that person tries to follow them. I do find it much less useful to read mailing lists that include references to external resources

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

--- > *From:* NANOG on behalf of > Randy Bush > *Sent:* Friday, September 8, 2023 5:25 PM > *To:* John Gilmore > *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org > *Subject:* Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming > ISOC Course + More > > Caution: T

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

y not true. Ryan From: NANOG on behalf of Randy Bush Sent: Friday, September 8, 2023 5:25 PM To: John Gilmore Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More Caution: This is an external ema

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

> It is totally possible to turn off the spyware in MailChimp. You just > need to buy an actual commercial account rather than using their > "free" service. To save $13 or $20 per month, you are instead selling > the privacy of every recipient of your emails. See: > >

Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

Dear NANOG-ers, Hope this email finds you in good health! Le jeudi 7 septembre 2023, Anne Mitchell a écrit : > > > [...] > > > > can we please get URLs without all the invasive tracking? > > list-manage.com is Mailchimp; > > Hi Anne, Thanks for your email. Sure! but the question could be:

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

It is totally possible to turn off the spyware in MailChimp. You just need to buy an actual commercial account rather than using their "free" service. To save $13 or $20 per month, you are instead selling the privacy of every recipient of your emails. See:

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

> On Sep 7, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> *READ MORE >> Last > > can we please get

Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

> *READ MORE > Last can we please get URLs without all the invasive tracking? randy

[NANOG-announce] Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

*Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory* *BGP Incidents: From Traffic-Disrupting BGP Leaks to Crypto-Stealing BGP Hijacks* BGP routing incidents can be problematic for a range of reasons. In some cases, they simply disrupt the flow of legitimate internet traffic while in others, they can result in

Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

*Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory* *BGP Incidents: From Traffic-Disrupting BGP Leaks to Crypto-Stealing BGP Hijacks* BGP routing incidents can be problematic for a range of reasons. In some cases, they simply disrupt the flow of legitimate internet traffic while in others, they can result in