Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-27 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 5/26/11 11:23 PM, David Conrad wrote: On May 26, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stack for ham devices? Well there's a loaded question. ... I won't say that there aren't ham devices with an IP stack built in, but I think we're talking about

Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Christopher Pilkington
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: You just need to move up in frequency a bit. My slowest ham-band link runs at 12 Mbps and my fastest at over 100 Mbps. Good reminder that I should renumber the IPv4 portion of that network to somewhere in 44.0.0.0/8

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Nope, mostly HF (under 30mhz) gear at 300baud. Yes, you read that right. I've seen a couple shorter hops of fractional T1 on 900mhz or 9600baud AX.25 on 144mhz, but there just aren't enough links to use line of site frequencies. Push mad bits, -Jack Carrozzo On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:34 AM,

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Christopher Pilkington
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Jack Carrozzo j...@crepinc.com wrote: Nope, mostly HF (under 30mhz) gear at 300baud. Yes, you read that right. You are running IP on this? And I though 1200 bauds half duplex was slow.

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Me personally? No, but I have used it. IP over 9600baud serial actually isn't that bad for IRC when you're in the middle of the woods and all. You want slow... read about winlink2000, the email/messaging system for hams and emergency response. It's PSK on HF, meant to be reliable but if you get

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Carl Rosevear
Used to run IP over AX.25 using KA9Q JNOS back in the day. HF at 300 baud simplex / half-duplex and VHF 144 Mhz at 1200 with similar characteristics. I bought some 9600 baud gear at one point but never got it all put together before moving on to the regular internet and (somewhat unfortunately)

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread David Conrad
And I just want to point out that a full /8 (worth $188,911,452.16 at the benchmark rate as set by Microsoft/NNI) is dedicated to AMPR... :-) When I was at IANA, we (where by we I mean Leo Vegoda :-)) looked at trying to reclaim this /8 around the same time we were recovering the /8 dedicated

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: The decentralized nature of administration of 44/8 made this somewhat intractable. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the future address markets. I reckon it'd be about as hard to get back 44/8 as 11/8,

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Carl Rosevear
Yeah, so... the thing is there really are benefits to ham radio for the community. I 100% believe in that. And yes, there are a lot of neck beards but, honestly, look at some pictures from a NANOG meeting! ;) I have been massively inactive in Amateur Radio for some time. I miss it. However

RE: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc)
geez Since we are turning the clock backI launched my first AX.25 node in 1985 when I was living at Ft. Belvoir, VA. It was part of the 144 MHz eastlink network that ran from Maine to Miami. Somewhere on a 5-1/2 floppy disk I have an ASCII map of that network. You really could hear the

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
I still have my TNC here on the shelf... not much use for pushing bits, but still handy to decode SCADA on 900mhz ;-) -Jack Carrozzo On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc) marcus.sa...@verizon.com wrote: geez Since we are turning the clock backI launched my first

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Wil Schultz
On May 26, 2011 3:08 PM, Jaime Magiera ja...@sensoryresearch.net wrote: out of the woodwork from our cold dead hands. /out of the woodwork kd8mzn I haven't read the entire thread, but since everyone with a call sign is checking in... There are some similarities between bands and

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread David Conrad
On May 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: There are some similarities between bands and ipv4 exhaustion, sure... One major difference is that those using ipv4 have the option of using ipv6, Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stack for ham devices? Regards, -drc

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Wil Schultz
On May 26, 2011 7:54 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On May 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: There are some similarities between bands and ipv4 exhaustion, sure... One major difference is that those using ipv4 have the option of using ipv6, Out of curiosity, is there

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread David Conrad
On May 26, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stack for ham devices? Well there's a loaded question. ... I won't say that there aren't ham devices with an IP stack built in, but I think we're talking about different layers here. Sorry, poorly worded.

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Sorry, poorly worded. What I was wondering is there is an equivalent of KA9Q for IPv6. I believe one of the comments we got back when we were trying to reclaim 44/8 was that folks couldn't migrate to IPv6 because no software was available... We've come a little way since NOS. Linux has

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Thu, May 26, 2011, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: Sorry, poorly worded. What I was wondering is there is an equivalent of KA9Q for IPv6. I believe one of the comments we got back when we were trying to reclaim 44/8 was that folks couldn't migrate to IPv6 because no software was available...

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Carl Rosevear wrote: Yeah, so... the thing is there really are benefits to ham radio for the community. I 100% believe in that. And yes, there are a lot of neck beards but, honestly, look at some pictures from a NANOG meeting! ;) Indeed, there is a club