Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-08-11 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
The window for comments closes tomorrow. Of course, the window for comments that somehow paint ICANN as a bastion of fools never closes, but anyone in the access and above business that opines on the structure, and interests, of registrars and registries, who opines after tomorrow, but not

I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
There are a few people who have some passing interest in ICANN so I will inflict upon the list my few paragraph summary of things that matter, see also my July 2nd post: I went so you don't have to -- ICANN Bruxelles pour les nuls. The initial report of the 65 person VI WG is published.

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Jorge Amodio
You forgot the fifth option. Invade a country (invasion is not strictly required) and take over control of their ccTLD which probably does not have an agreement with ICANN so you can charge and do as you please. Many of the greedy registrars will be more than happy to sell the name ... Get your

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 7/26/10 12:45 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: You forgot the fifth option. Invade a country (invasion is not strictly required) and take over control of their ccTLD which probably does not have an agreement with ICANN so you can charge and do as you please. Many of the greedy registrars will be more

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Jorge Amodio
Now seriously, just how many pages of the IV Initial Report did you read before coming up with the fifth option? I read the entire thing. Of the 138 pages, take out the Summary, the ToC and several of the Annexes where many of them are sort of cut past of discussions/text circulated through

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Barry Shein
On July 26, 2010 at 14:42 brun...@nic-naa.net (Eric Brunner-Williams) wrote: When Hewlett-Packard wrote to ICANN earlier this year that it should get .hp, the obvious rejoinder was Buy a country like everyone else, submit a change request to the iso3166/MA, and do business under .hp,

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 7/26/10 3:28 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: Now seriously, just how many pages of the IV Initial Report did you read before coming up with the fifth option? I read the entire thing. Of the 138 pages, take out the Summary, the ToC and several of the Annexes where many of them are sort of cut past

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Joly MacFie
I found Milton Mueller's summary - noted at http://www.isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=1006- useful. Is there anything there that you would disagree with? j On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams brun...@nic-naa.net wrote: Actually the alliances visible at present are: JN2 proposal:

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Franck Martin
The question too, is which model is mitigating the best the presence of rogue registrars (like domain tasting registrars, etc..) - Original Message - From: Joly MacFie j...@punkcast.com To: Eric Brunner-Williams brun...@nic-naa.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 July, 2010

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 7/26/10 6:00 PM, Joly MacFie wrote: I found Milton Mueller's summary - noted at http://www.isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=1006- useful. Is there anything there that you would disagree with? He errors in characterizing the position statements as static, rather than evolving over time. His own position

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 7/26/10 7:11 PM, Franck Martin wrote: The question too, is which model is mitigating the best the presence of rogue registrars (like domain tasting registrars, etc..) Franck, First, tasting is only a part of the extensions from the registrant serving business model that ICANN explicitly

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread William Pitcock
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 14:42 -0400, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: But I do take your point about .co/.com, and in all fairness, it is a decade delayed favor returned by NeuStar to Verisign for the .bz/.biz collaborative marketing ploy of 2001. Or eNom's .cc/.com ploy from 1999-present. Don't

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 7/26/10 7:50 PM, William Pitcock wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 14:42 -0400, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: But I do take your point about .co/.com, and in all fairness, it is a decade delayed favor returned by NeuStar to Verisign for the .bz/.biz collaborative marketing ploy of 2001. Or

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Jorge Amodio
Being one of the rare known external readers, is there any bit of it you have a view on not already reflected in the para above and below? There is another dimension to the whole enchilada that makes a compromise a moving shooting target. Some of the entities at the table don't like or want at

Re: I slogged through it so you don't have to -- ICANN Vertical Integration WG for dummies

2010-07-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 7/26/10 8:46 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: Being one of the rare known external readers, is there any bit of it you have a view on not already reflected in the para above and below? There is another dimension to the whole enchilada that makes a compromise a moving shooting target. Some of the