Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-23 Thread Barry Shein
The idea was to observe and measure an (almost) all IPv4 network and its management/infrastructure costs, namely the one we got, not an IPv6 one, before the transition starts to muddy the waters significantly. -b On October 22, 2010 at 18:03 bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-22 Thread Barry Shein
It occurs to me that there is some pressing need to investigate this all-IPv6 internet -- motivated by the cost of (not) maintaining IPv4 forever. Right now we can observe essentially an all-IPv4 internet (99%, whatever.) In a very few years, possibly as few as two, the picture might become

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-22 Thread bmanning
revised : 2009-02-05 (now I'm teasing.. .Bill where's your docs on this fantastic new teknowlogie?) I found it here: http://www.ivi2.org/ But the readme is a bit confusing: http://www.ivi2.org/code/00-ivi0.5-README Trying to figure out how they map a /70 v6 prefix

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-22 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 01:28:24PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: It occurs to me that there is some pressing need to investigate this all-IPv6 internet -- motivated by the cost of (not) maintaining IPv4 forever. Right now we can observe essentially an all-IPv4 internet (99%, whatever.) --

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-22 Thread bmanning
Message- From: Christopher Morrow Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:49 PM To: bmanning Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05 (now I'm teasing.. .Bill where's your docs on this fantastic new teknowlogie?) I found it here: http

RE: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-22 Thread George Bonser
From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com ah... but the trick is to only need enough IPv4 in the pool to dynamically talk to the Internet. Native v6 to Native v6 never has to drop back to the Internet, It uses native v6 paths. So the larger the v6 uptake, the fewer

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-22 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:20:45PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com ah... but the trick is to only need enough IPv4 in the pool to dynamically talk to the Internet. Native v6 to Native v6 never has to drop back to the Internet, It uses

RE: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-22 Thread George Bonser
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:37 PM To: George Bonser Cc: bmanning Subject: Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05 anyone still not paying attention? (read the CERNET2 reports on the costs of dual-stack...) Native may be your best long term bet. --bill

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-21 Thread bmanning
The IPv4 space here was retired in 2009. We love the IVI translator code. Whats keeping the rest of you? --bill

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-21 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: The IPv4 space here was retired in 2009. We love the IVI translator code. Whats keeping the rest of you? Just hazarding a guess: router# conf t router(config)# ipv6 ivi enable router(config)# ^Z Adrian

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-21 Thread Jack Bates
On 10/21/2010 10:48 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: not so much - it runs on linux instead of a closed OS. I think you missed the point. Many are waiting for it to be supported on their brand of routers. Not everyone has huge numbers of servers sitting around acting as

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-21 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:52:32PM -0500, Jack Bates wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:48 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: not so much - it runs on linux instead of a closed OS. I think you missed the point. Many are waiting for it to be supported on their brand of routers. Not everyone

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-21 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Oct 22, 2010, at 12:10 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:52:32PM -0500, Jack Bates wrote: On 10/21/2010 10:48 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: not so much - it runs on linux instead of a closed OS. I think you missed the point. Many are

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-21 Thread Christopher Morrow
(bill is a tease) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:48 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:40:29AM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: The IPv4 space here was retired in 2009.  We love the IVI translator code.  

RE: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

2010-10-21 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: Christopher Morrow Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:49 PM To: bmanning Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05 (now I'm teasing.. .Bill where's your docs on this fantastic new teknowlogie?) I found it here: http://www.ivi2