IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Michael Dillon
Not sure how much I believe of the article and its lack of detail and chopped quotes...but did HE really disconnect an entire downstream network over a DMCA notice, or did they null route a /32 that was used by a customer to host hundreds of virtual web sites? Since the tools at a network

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Michael Dillon wrote: [..] [..] The side effect of this is that it makes the network operator's tool sharper, and able to knock down single sites with a /32 ACL. You actually mean a /128 in the case of IPv6, the /32 would be the complete ISP... For a hosting provider, I would think that

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Jeroen Massar
Jeffrey Ollie wrote: [..] But do the commonly-used operating systems support adding hundreds or thousands of addresses to an interface, and what would the performance implications be? Remember that IP addresses are 128bits, while hostnames (the ones for the Host: header in the HTTP query) are

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009, Jeroen Massar wrote: But yes, the network stack itself is a different question, then again, you can just route a /64 into the loopback device and let your apache listen there... (which also allows you to do easy-failover as you can move that complete /64 to a different

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Jack Bates
Jeroen Massar wrote: But yes, the network stack itself is a different question, then again, you can just route a /64 into the loopback device and let your apache listen there... (which also allows you to do easy-failover as you can move that complete /64 to a different box ;) You are still

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Ray Soucy
But do the commonly-used operating systems support adding hundreds or thousands of addresses to an interface, and what would the performance implications be? Jeff Ollie Last time I checked, and this may have changed, the limit in Linux was around 4096. In practice though, you also have to

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us said: But do the commonly-used operating systems support adding hundreds or thousands of addresses to an interface, and what would the performance implications be? I've got Linux (and even Windows) boxes with several hundred IPs bound today; I

RE: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Brian Johnson
-Original Message- From: Ray Soucy [mailto:r...@maine.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:45 AM To: Jeffrey Ollie Cc: North American Network Operators Group Subject: Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks But do the commonly-used operating systems

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread David W. Hankins
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 02:05:36PM +, Michael Dillon wrote: But, when IPv6 is a bit more common, there is no need for virtual hosters to share a single IP address between several sites. They may as well use a unique IPv6 address for every single site, even if they are all on the same

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread William Pitcock
in a worst-case scenario. The same concept applies to ipv4 cidr as well, but it is less obvious. William --Original Message-- From: Adrian Chadd To: Jeroen Massar Cc: North American Network Operators Group Subject: Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks Sent: Oct 27

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Brian Johnson wrote: Last time I checked, and this may have changed, the limit in Linux was around 4096. So in this circumstance you could route a /116 to the server. COOL! These days what we might at one point have refered to as a host or server may actually be a hardware container with N

Re: IPv6 could change things - Was: DMCA takedowns of networks

2009-10-27 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:41:46 -0500 Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: Jeroen Massar wrote: But yes, the network stack itself is a different question, then again, you can just route a /64 into the loopback device and let your apache listen there... (which also allows you to do