Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-31 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2011-01-31 12:38, Blake Hudson wrote: I was under the impression that the later versions of 5 (e.g. 5.5, 5.6) had backported stateful connection tracking. Has anyone tested recently? The command # ip6tables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT works on CentOS 5.5. And there's no

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-31 Thread Blake Hudson
Original Message Subject: Re: Ipv6 for the content provider From: Simon Perreault simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca To: nanog@nanog.org Date: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:48:34 AM On 2011-01-31 12:38, Blake Hudson wrote: I was under the impression that the later versions of 5 (e.g

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-31 Thread Jack Bates
On 1/31/2011 11:48 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: works on CentOS 5.5. And there's no documentation for it in man ip6tables. So it fits the backport hypothesis... Not unexpected. The kernel also handles virtio for kvm. It's nowhere near vanilla. Jack

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-31 Thread Randy McAnally
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:53:22 -0600, Blake Hudson wrote # ip6tables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT I guess the next question is whether or not it actually works correctly You can open/shut ports but you can't do anything with connection state (RELATED, ESTABLISHED, ect).

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-31 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Simon Perreault wrote: The command # ip6tables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT works on CentOS 5.5. And there's no documentation for it in man ip6tables. So it fits the backport hypothesis... While it may accept it, you may find it doesn't really work

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-31 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday, January 31, 2011 01:29:18 pm Randy McAnally wrote: The solution is to manually build your own kernel from a vanilla source, along with all the problems that entails. There's also the RH eMRG rt kernel which is built on substantially newer sources. You'll need to rebuild it yourself

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-29 Thread George B.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: The IPv6 geo databases actually tend to be about on par with the IPv4 ones from what I have seen so far (which is admittedly limited as I don't really use geolocation services). However, I still think it is important for

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-28 Thread Bill Stewart
On 1/26/11, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: And if your servers behind the LB aren't prepared for it, you lose a LOT of logging data, geolocation capabilities, and some other things if you go that route. Of course, anybody expecting a current IPv4 geolocation service to provide accurate

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-28 Thread Owen DeLong
The IPv6 geo databases actually tend to be about on par with the IPv4 ones from what I have seen so far (which is admittedly limited as I don't really use geolocation services). However, I still think it is important for people considering deploying something as you described to be aware of the

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-27 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jan 27, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: It's actually pretty well known and it is documented in several places in plain sight. Where? A search for IPV6_V6ONLY in the FreeBSD Handbook yields nothing. You'd think the brokenness

Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, All the recurring threads about prefix length, security posture, ddos, consumer CPE support have been somewhat interesting to my service provider alter ego. Ipv6 is definitely on folks minds this year. The threads seem a lot less trollish as

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Bind and apache work with v6 out of the box, and have for years. As I understand it, when a client requests a particular domain of yours and gets an A and an , the client will default to the (assuming it's on a v6 network) and attempt to communicate as such. Failing that, it will fall

RE: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread George Bonser
From: Charles N Wyble Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:23 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Ipv6 for the content provider For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want to provide all my web content over ipv6, and support

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
Do I just need to assign ip addresses to my servers, add records to my DNS server and that's it? I'm running PowerDNS for DNS, Apache for WWW. Postfix for SMTP. It might be that simple, it might not. Depends on your application. For the DNS and Mail, it should be pretty much that

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 10:39 AM, George Bonser wrote: From: Charles N Wyble Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:23 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Ipv6 for the content provider For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Graham Beneke
On 26/01/2011 20:22, Charles N Wyble wrote: For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want to provide all my web content over ipv6, and support ipv6 SMTP. What are folks doing in this regard? Do I just need to assign ip addresses to

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Charles N Wyble wrote: Do I just need to assign ip addresses to my servers, add records to my DNS server and that's it? I'm running PowerDNS for DNS, Apache for WWW. Postfix for SMTP. Best to remove IP version dependencies in your configs. If you are using

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:22:40AM -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote: For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want to provide all my web content over ipv6, and support ipv6 SMTP. What are folks doing in this regard? Do I just need

RE: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread George Bonser
Application level support on Linux/FreeBSD/NetBSD is 98% and rising every day. Apache, BIND, Postfix, they all work great. The problem is you may need config adjustment. Your Apache ListenOn's will need IPv6 added, your Postfix local nets ACL will need your IPv6 addresses added, and so

RE: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread George Bonser
And if your servers behind the LB aren't prepared for it, you lose a LOT of logging data, geolocation capabilities, and some other things if you go that route. Owen Relying on IP address for geolocation is actually quite ridiculous though I do realize that many people seem to believe that

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Antonio Querubin wrote: Best to remove IP version dependencies in your configs. If you are using name-based virtual hosting in Apache, convert: Listen a.b.c.d:80 - Listen 80 Virtualhost a.b.c.d:80 - Virtualhost *:80 Use hard-coded IP addresses only where

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Dale W. Carder
Thus spake Jack Carrozzo (j...@crepinc.com) on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:38:48PM -0500: As I understand it, when a client requests a particular domain of yours and gets an A and an , the client will default to the (assuming it's on a v6 network) and attempt to communicate as such.

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:10 AM, David Freedman wrote: And if your servers behind the LB aren't prepared for it, you lose a LOT of logging data, geolocation capabilities, and some other things if you go that route. Owen I can't imagine an LB vendor who would sell a v6 to v4 vip

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:22 AM, George Bonser wrote: And if your servers behind the LB aren't prepared for it, you lose a LOT of logging data, geolocation capabilities, and some other things if you go that route. Owen Relying on IP address for geolocation is actually quite ridiculous

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Charles N Wyble wrote: Do I just need to assign ip addresses to my servers, add records to my DNS server and that's it? I'm running PowerDNS for DNS, Apache for WWW. Postfix for SMTP. Best to remove IP

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Francois Tigeot wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:22:40AM -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote: For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want to provide all my web content over ipv6, and support ipv6 SMTP.

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:18 AM, George Bonser wrote: Application level support on Linux/FreeBSD/NetBSD is 98% and rising every day. Apache, BIND, Postfix, they all work great. The problem is you may need config adjustment. Your Apache ListenOn's will need IPv6 added, your Postfix local

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Randy McAnally
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:22:40 -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want to provide all my web content over ipv6, and support ipv6 SMTP. What are folks doing in this regard? The only issue I've

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Dale W. Carder
Thus spake Randy McAnally (r...@fast-serv.com) on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 04:50:22PM -0500: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:22:40 -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want to provide all my web content

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/26/2011 01:50 PM, Randy McAnally wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:22:40 -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote For the most part, I'm a data center/application administrator/content provider kind of guy. As such, I want to provide all my web content

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Randy McAnally
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:56:05 -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote The only issue I've faced is RHEL/CentOS doesn't have stateful connection tracking for IPv6 - so ip6tables is practically worthless. H. Interesting. I wonder if this is specific to the RedHat kernel? I've worked around it by

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:56:05 PST, Charles N Wyble said: The only issue I've faced is RHEL/CentOS doesn't have stateful connection tracking for IPv6 - so ip6tables is practically worthless. H. Interesting. I wonder if this is specific to the RedHat kernel? Or a problem with v6

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: Listen a.b.c.d:80 - Listen 80 Virtualhost a.b.c.d:80 - Virtualhost *:80 That only works if you have only one address on the machine and. Actually it works fine on machines with multiple IP addresses for both FreeBSD and CentOS. And IPv6

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 05:01:31 pm Randy McAnally wrote: I've worked around it by compiling custom (newer) Kernels on systems that need it. Apparently support was added some time around 2.6.20, but of course RHEL5 is still in the dark ages of 2.6.18. RHEL has the eMRG kernel available

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: It would be nice if BSD would correct their IPV6_V6ONLY behavior instead of putting up an alleged security red herring. I'm not sure why Micr0$0ft suffers from this braindeath. Or at the very least document this in plain site in the IPv6 section of

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Randy McAnally wrote: The only issue I've faced is RHEL/CentOS doesn't have stateful connection tracking for IPv6 - so ip6tables is practically worthless. As long as you're willing to run your iptables through a modification filter to generate the corresponding ip6tables

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:56:01 -1000, Antonio Querubin said: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: Listen a.b.c.d:80 - Listen 80 Virtualhost a.b.c.d:80 - Virtualhost *:80 That only works if you have only one address on the machine and. Actually it works fine on machines

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Mark Andrews
Additionally for DNS don't forget to add IPv6 glue for the nameservers for your zones to the parent zones. For named in particular listen-on-v6 needs to be specified as it is not on by default e.g. listen-on-v6 { any; };. Named will ask questions over IPv6 by default even if it isn't listening

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: It would be nice if BSD would correct their IPV6_V6ONLY behavior instead of putting up an alleged security red herring. I'm not sure why Micr0$0ft suffers from this braindeath. Or at the very

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 26, 2011, at 3:13 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:56:01 -1000, Antonio Querubin said: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: Listen a.b.c.d:80 - Listen 80 Virtualhost a.b.c.d:80 - Virtualhost *:80 That only works if you have only one address

Re: Ipv6 for the content provider

2011-01-26 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: It's actually pretty well known and it is documented in several places in plain sight. Where? A search for IPV6_V6ONLY in the FreeBSD Handbook yields nothing. You'd think the brokenness would at least be mentioned in the handbook. A similar search