Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-02 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 1 November 2014 23:18, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Where on the public Internet? Do networks run by organizations such as SITA, ARINC, BT Radianz, UK MOD, and US DOD that use globally unique space and may interconnect with each other in some way (and could hypothetically be

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-02 Thread Rob Seastrom
Baldur Norddahl baldur.nordd...@gmail.com writes: On 1 November 2014 23:18, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Where on the public Internet? Do networks run by organizations such as SITA, ARINC, BT Radianz, UK MOD, and US DOD that use globally unique space and may interconnect with

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-01 Thread Jared Mauch
On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 02:30:06PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: So who do we ask about making IRRs expire defunct objects you might start with a rigorous definition of defunct I have my own ideas on this topic, including routes that have not been seen for over 1 year. You may always

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-01 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 02:30:06PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: So who do we ask about making IRRs expire defunct objects you might start with a rigorous definition of defunct I have my own ideas on this topic,

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-01 Thread Ca By
On Friday, October 31, 2014, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:34:23AM -0700, Tim Howe wrote: I've since found a disturbing number of defunct objects that relate to my customers (and me) in a similar way, and I have mostly had success in getting them

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-01 Thread Tim Howe
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 14:30:06 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: So who do we ask about making IRRs expire defunct objects you might start with a rigorous definition of defunct I can come up with a number of examples, but the ones that concern me the most are route objects where

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-01 Thread Tim Howe
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:51:59 -0500 Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: [snip] People tend to treat things like IRR (eg: RADB, etc) as a garbage pit you toss things into and never remove from. So who do we

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-11-01 Thread Rob Seastrom
Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com writes: Do the internet route registries exist to track routes that are not to appear on the public internet? I think not. What's the public Internet? Does it mean the DFZ as seen at Jimmy Hess' router, with his set of upstreams? If so, I can assure you that

Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Tim Howe
In the recent past, we've had another provider in our same market erroneously advertising prefixes for some of our customers. After we got it cleared up, I noticed that there were some old route objects in RADB that were entered for that provider years ago by 360. These route objects, in

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Jared Mauch
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:34:23AM -0700, Tim Howe wrote: I've since found a disturbing number of defunct objects that relate to my customers (and me) in a similar way, and I have mostly had success in getting them cleared up. If my relatively small customer base is any indication,

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: [snip] People tend to treat things like IRR (eg: RADB, etc) as a garbage pit you toss things into and never remove from. So who do we ask about making IRRs expire defunct objects and/or changing their system

Re: Is it unusual to remove defunct rr objects?

2014-10-31 Thread Randy Bush
So who do we ask about making IRRs expire defunct objects you might start with a rigorous definition of defunct randy