Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/9/23 22:27, Aaron1 wrote: Sounds like something uRPF would prevent Does anyone do uRPF ? lol On routers where we carry a full table, we do. Mark.

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 5:12 PM William Herrin wrote: > It's trivial to turn a $5 VPS into a disposable VPN head-end that can > spray TCP SYN packets at a modest rate, and once the packet is on the > backbone somewhere in the world not only can't you do anything about > it, it's just on the near

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 4:05 PM Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > On 3/9/23 2:19 PM, Christopher Munz-Michielin wrote: > > Not this exact scenario, but what we see a lot of in my VPS company is > > people sending spam by using our VPS' source addresses, but routing > > outbound via some kind of

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 3/9/23 2:19 PM, Christopher Munz-Michielin wrote: Not this exact scenario, but what we see a lot of in my VPS company is people sending spam by using our VPS' source addresses, but routing outbound via some kind of tunnel to a VPN provider or similar in order to bypass our port 25 blocks.

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 3/9/23 1:39 PM, William Herrin wrote: I would hope folks are implementing uRPF on commodity broadband connections. That's one place it works great. I would hope so too. I also would hope that uRPF was enabled by default on SOHO routers. And yet ... I'm routinely disappointed. CADIA has a

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 12:27 PM Aaron1 wrote: Sounds like something uRPF would prevent Does anyone do uRPF ? lol I would hope folks are implementing uRPF on commodity broadband connections. That's one place it works great. My home wifi AP

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 4:19 PM Christopher Munz-Michielin wrote: > > Not this exact scenario, but what we see a lot of in my VPS company is > people sending spam by using our VPS' source addresses, but routing > outbound via some kind of tunnel to a VPN provider or similar in order > to bypass

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread Christopher Munz-Michielin
Not this exact scenario, but what we see a lot of in my VPS company is people sending spam by using our VPS' source addresses, but routing outbound via some kind of tunnel to a VPN provider or similar in order to bypass our port 25 blocks. We've had to start blocking source port 25 to catch

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 12:27 PM Aaron1 wrote: > Sounds like something uRPF would prevent > > Does anyone do uRPF ? lol I would hope folks are implementing uRPF on commodity broadband connections. That's one place it works great. Regards, Bill Herrin -- For hire.

Re: Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread Aaron1
Sounds like something uRPF would prevent Does anyone do uRPF ? lol Aaron > On Mar 9, 2023, at 2:03 PM, John Levine wrote: > > Back in the olden days, a spammer would set up a server with a fast > broadband connection and a dialup connection, and send out lots of > spam over the broadband

Is malicious asymmetrical routing still a thing?

2023-03-09 Thread John Levine
Back in the olden days, a spammer would set up a server with a fast broadband connection and a dialup connection, and send out lots of spam over the broadband connection using the dialup's IP address. Since mail traffic is quite asymmetric, this got them most of the broadband speed, and when the