RE: Network diagram software

2009-02-19 Thread (nanog) Brian Battle
-style diagram with the nodes connected as described above. It's also good for visualizing BGP AS paths . -Original Message- From: Ross Vandegrift [mailto:r...@kallisti.us] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:42 AM To: Mathias Wolkert Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network diagram

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-12 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:11:38PM +0100, Mathias Wolkert wrote: Thanks all for your input. One thing that hits me is how different networks are documented. Are there any best practice communicated (RFC/IETF)? As an aside, for ASCII network diagrams a la Internet Draft, I found that Email

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-12 Thread Randy Bush
As an aside, for ASCII network diagrams a la Internet Draft, I found that Email Effects (http://www.sigsoftware.com/emaileffects/) was rather useful. also emacs artist-mode randy

Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Mathias Wolkert
I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? /Tias

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Colin Alston
Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. Omnigrafle and Dia are all I can add to your list

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread William Warren
On 2/11/2009 8:06 AM, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? /Tias network notepad

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Malte von dem Hagen
Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? OmniGraffle is the better Visio. rgds, .m

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 02:06:09PM +0100, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? To what end? The

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Chris Meidinger
On 11.02.2009, at 14:12, Malte von dem Hagen wrote: Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use?

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 02:06:09PM +0100, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? I'd like to put

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread David Andersen
On Feb 11, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Ross Vandegrift wrote: I'd like to put a second request. I often want to very quickly mock-up a diagram that I'm going to use for myself or for internal purposes. Is there any application that takes some kind of *simple* description and produces a (possibly not so

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Malte von dem Hagen
Hi, Ross Vandegrift wrote: Is there any application that takes some kind of *simple* description and produces a (possibly not so beautiful) picture? yes, Omnigraffle here as well. Can be simple AND beautiful. rgds, .m

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Brad Fleming
On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Malte von dem Hagen wrote: Hi, Ross Vandegrift wrote: Is there any application that takes some kind of *simple* description and produces a (possibly not so beautiful) picture? yes, Omnigraffle here as well. Can be simple AND beautiful. rgds, .m Agreed. We

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Mathias Wolkert
Thanks all for your input. One thing that hits me is how different networks are documented. Are there any best practice communicated (RFC/IETF)? I like the idea of having one physical version showing cables and devices (CDP/EDP/LLDP view pretty much) and one logical view showing IP subnets. Many

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Bill Woodcock
OmniGraffle is the better Visio. Me three. We all use OmniGraffle. And Adobe Illustrator to create new objects. -Bill

RE: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Stephens, Josh
To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network diagram software On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Malte von dem Hagen wrote: Hi, Ross Vandegrift wrote: Is there any application that takes some kind of *simple* description and produces a (possibly not so beautiful) picture? yes, Omnigraffle here as well. Can

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Min
yWorks http://www.yworks.com/en/index.html worth a try, its yEd is free. m On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Malte von dem Hagen m...@hosteurope.de wrote: Hi, Ross Vandegrift wrote: Is there any application that takes some kind of *simple* description and produces a (possibly not so

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread chuck goolsbee
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:27:35 -0800 (PST), Bill Woodcock wrote: OmniGraffle is the better Visio. Me three. We all use OmniGraffle. And Adobe Illustrator to create new objects. Me four, except I'm too lazy to create new objects and just slurp them from Graffletopia:

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Adam Fields
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 07:27:35AM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote: OmniGraffle is the better Visio. Me three. We all use OmniGraffle. And Adobe Illustrator to create new objects. I use Omnigraffle all the time. Check out graffletopia for new stencils: http://www.graffletopia.com/ (It's

RE: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
-Original Message- From: Ross Vandegrift [mailto:r...@kallisti.us] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:42 AM To: Mathias Wolkert Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network diagram software On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 02:06:09PM +0100, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Brian Feeny
OmniGraffle all the way On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Malte von dem Hagen wrote: Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported

RE: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Ray Burkholder
Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? OmniGraffle is the better Visio. OmniGraffle

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Amit Kaushal
Concept Draw is compatible with Windows and Mac. UI is similar to Visio. http://www.conceptdraw.com/en/ On Feb 11, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Ray Burkholder wrote: Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Jason Dearborn
I use the free basic version of http://www.gliffy.com for mock-ups. It doesn't go as deep as OmniGraffle or Visio, but it's enough to illustrate concepts to NOC guys or executives.

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Ken A
Ray Burkholder wrote: Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? OmniGraffle is the better Visio.

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread John Osmon
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:11:38PM +0100, Mathias Wolkert wrote: [...] I like the idea of having one physical version showing cables and devices (CDP/EDP/LLDP view pretty much) and one logical view showing IP subnets. Many times I found *documented* networks where this is all combined making

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Kevin Day
On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? /Tias Two packages that I'm

RE: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
-Original Message- From: Kevin Day [mailto:toa...@dragondata.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:16 PM To: Mathias Wolkert Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network diagram software On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I'd like to know what software

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: -Original Message- From: Kevin Day [mailto:toa...@dragondata.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:16 PM To: Mathias Wolkert Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network diagram software On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Mathias

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Craig Holland
Mathias Wolkert wrote: OmniGraffle is the better Visio. ...except I've not found any good networking/systems stencils for omnigraffle (even on graffletopia). I tried to import the visio ones in 5.0 but that didn't work too well. Someone out there have something for omnigraffle that rivals the

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le mercredi 11 février 2009 à 23:34 +0100, Malte von dem Hagen a écrit : Am 11.02.2009 21:50 Uhr, Craig Holland schrieb: Mathias Wolkert wrote: Did he? OmniGraffle is the better Visio. ...except I've not found any good networking/systems stencils for omnigraffle (even on

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le mercredi 11 février 2009 à 23:51 +0100, Michael Hallgren a écrit : Le mercredi 11 février 2009 à 23:34 +0100, Malte von dem Hagen a écrit : Am 11.02.2009 21:50 Uhr, Craig Holland schrieb: Mathias Wolkert wrote: Did he? OmniGraffle is the better Visio. ...except I've

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Malte von dem Hagen
Hej, Am 11.02.2009 19:13 Uhr, John Osmon schrieb: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 04:11:38PM +0100, Mathias Wolkert wrote: I like the idea of having one physical version showing cables and devices (CDP/EDP/LLDP view pretty much) and one logical view showing IP subnets. Many times I found *documented*

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread jay
Quoting Mathias Wolkert mathias.wolk...@gmail.com: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported nowadays. What do you use? /Tias I know what you mean

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Gary E. Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo All! Quoting Mathias Wolkert mathias.wolk...@gmail.com: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Chris Garcia
  I'm surprised no one has mentioned NetBrain.  It can automatically (via discovery, or device configs) create Network diagrams that can be exported to Visio.     http://www.netbraintech.com/web_08/solutions/na.php   Chris Quoting Mathias Wolkert mathias.wolk...@gmail.com: I'd like to know

Re: Network diagram software

2009-02-11 Thread Crist Clark
On 2/11/2009 at 3:15 PM, j...@miscreant.org wrote: Quoting Mathias Wolkert mathias.wolk...@gmail.com: I'd like to know what software people are using to document networks. Visio is obvious but feels like a straight jacket to me. I liked netviz but it seems owned by CA and unsupported