Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-17 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:39:14AM -0500, William Herrin wrote: 1. Has SPAMHAUS attempted to feed relevant portions of their knowledge into ARIN's reporting system for fraudulent registrations and, I don't know the answer to that. 2. Understanding that ARIN can only deal with fraudulent

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message a5dad1a3-9cc9-4560-93bd-85f9e9128...@steffann.nl, Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl wrote: Sorry, but you post this information on public mailing lists where it can be discussed but where no action can be taken... I think that you mistake formalized centralized action for action

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message cap-gugvs-kcyosknns+v8r1gdkbpmkuufm1engqvhqh0pr0...@mail.gmail.com William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: What is your goal here? Primarily to inform. Forewarned is forearmed. Wouldn't you agree? Is there some action that any particular NANOG participant should take based on your

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:36:04PM +0100, Sander Steffann wrote: Sorry, but you post this information on public mailing lists where it can be discussed but where no action can be taken [...] That's not exactly correct. Lots of people on this list are perfectly capable of taking a variety of

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Todd Underwood
I do not understand why you're so adamant about sending this information to an organization primarily distinguished by its incompetence and negligence. If they were actually DOING THEIR JOBS in even minimally diligent fashion, then Ron wouldn't needed to write that note or do the research

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:07:40AM -0500, Todd Underwood wrote: no one seriously believes that the RIPE NCC (which is managed by all of its members) is primarily distinguished by their incompetence and negligence. Really? Then why, pray tell, haven't they made it a practice to routinely

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Matthew Petach
I'll bet Hitler would have used his real name on the whois entries. There. Now I think we're done. Matt On Jan 16, 2013 7:09 AM, Todd Underwood toddun...@gmail.com wrote: I do not understand why you're so adamant about sending this information to an organization primarily distinguished by

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Todd Underwood
it's nice that we've proceded to insult our colleagues. many thanks to mr. petach for achieving the end of this thread. thank you all for participating. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:07:40AM -0500, Todd Underwood wrote: no one

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:07:40AM -0500, Todd Underwood wrote: no one seriously believes that the RIPE NCC (which is managed by all of its members) is primarily distinguished by their incompetence and negligence. Really?

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
There have been previous incidents in the ARIN region .. Nothing on the grand scale of what Ron is describing, and just saying, Arin does liaise with the Anti spam world rather better than this. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, William Herrin wrote: Hi Rich, Since this is NANOG, not a forum

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
Please, please someone go to http://meemsy.com/videos/add/24 and create 'Hitler reacts to the fraudulent Romanian ASNs' After that we can move on. :=) ~C. On 1/16/13 2:01 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: I'll bet Hitler would have used his real name on the whois entries. There. Now I think we're

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-16 Thread Steven G. Huter
ni lar has requested to add someone, and so has kanchana, so i think our group reservation is full will try to check this morning to confirm On Wed, 16 Jan 2013, Matthew Petach wrote: I'll bet Hitler would have used his real name on the whois entries. There. Now I think we're done. Matt

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-15 Thread Alex Brooks
Hello, On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: After a careful investigation, I am of the opinion that each of the following 18 ASNs was registered (via RIPE) with

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message calgc3c7n0hy80qlbcq8tzrvguavsvrceneyaykomuuy58p3...@mail.gmail.com, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net wrote: Jump.ro is a very active LIR and domain registry on the Romanian market and is selling ASNs to whomever is interested... I do see that JUMP.RO is ``very active''. I do not

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message calklf0-g2ni7tz5touzi9ss_vwxobl7baedubmro1tpcsjd...@mail.gmail.com Alex Brooks askoorb+na...@gmail.com you wrote: I notice that you have been cross posting this message (though not responding on list to replies), for example to the RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Working Group

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-15 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, is likely to be following the reporting procedure for the provision of untruthful information to the RIPE NCC at http://www.ripe.net/contact/reporting-procedure, which is a well defined procedure. RIPE NCC will investigate any report submitted though this procedure; there is a flowchart

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-15 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: After a careful investigation, I am of the opinion that each of the following 18 ASNs was registered (via RIPE) with fradulent information purporting to represent the identity of the true registrant, and that in

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I'm having more than a little deja vu here - Romanian LIRs have come up on this list (leave alone nanog, or various other RIPE lists) more than once in this context. In fact There is an apparent pattern of large scale misuse of resources here, with a complex reporting procedure that puts the

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-15 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, I'm having more than a little deja vu here - Romanian LIRs have come up on this list (leave alone nanog, or various other RIPE lists) more than once in this context. In fact Yes, but like I said: talk on lists is not enough There is an apparent pattern of large scale misuse of

Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-14 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
After a careful investigation, I am of the opinion that each of the following 18 ASNs was registered (via RIPE) with fradulent information purporting to represent the identity of the true registrant, and that in fact, all 18 of these ASNs were registered by a single party, apparently as part of a

Re: Notice: Fradulent RIPE ASNs

2013-01-14 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: After a careful investigation, I am of the opinion that each of the following 18 ASNs was registered (via RIPE) with fradulent information purporting to represent the identity of the true registrant, and that