Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-06 Thread bzs
I realize there has been some call to end this thread but if I may add a little history... On December 5, 2017 at 06:49 l...@satchell.net (Stephen Satchell) wrote: > Indeed. What Ajit Pai missed in his deliberations for the Dec 14 FCC > vote is that the Internet as we know it was developed

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- b...@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin Even the relatively good ones are bad. I have identified 60 and am on track to identify about 200 errors in the official ISC2 CISSP study guide. - One last one I promise... :-) I also

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > Have you seen neteng certs lately? I'm forced to maintain a > lower level one to keep my job and it makes me angry every > time I have to do it. The sales pitch is hidden in the words > and the correct answer is almost

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- l...@satchell.net wrote: From: Stephen Satchell Indeed, I'm not aware of any certification that applies to system administrators. Network administrators have certs that are well-recognized and accepted. Mail admins? Server admins? The certs that are out there

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > the Internet as we know it was developed under the stern eyes of the > Department of Defense and the National Science Foundation. The NSF in > particular ran the 'Net like bouncers do in a strip club: you break the >

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread amuse
Back in the day, only Ph.D's used the internet, so they were the sysadmins. These days, I recommend that system administration be only allowed for card-holding responsible people who have proven their technical abilities. Then, when you get awarded your Ph.D, they can take your sysadmin card

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 06:49:43AM -0800, Stephen Satchell wrote: > The NSF in particular ran the 'Net like bouncers do in a strip club: > you break the rules, you go. No argument. I'm not sure I've ever seen a more inaccurate description of the NSF. What in the world are

Re: Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread Harald Koch
Thirty years ago I started my sysadmin journey on an Internet that was filled with helpful, experienced people that were willing to share their knowledge. Twenty years ago I was one of three people running CA*net, the cross-Canada research Internet with three connections to the NSFnet. I don't

Novice sysadmins (was: Suggestions for a more privacy conscious email provider)

2017-12-05 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 12/05/2017 02:59 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 07:38:18PM -0500, Eric Tykwinski wrote: Main point I think is mailops comes with a learning curve, and it happens... "Current Peeve: The mindset that the Internet is some sort of school for novice sysadmins