Before getting rid of the cellular based OOB, look into some more detail
about exactly what LTE modems are in those. I've seen some remarkable
results from equipment using the 600/700 bands (tmobile, verizon) for
getting signal into deeply buried concrete structures. There's a lot of
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:03 PM Saku Ytti wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 19:53, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE <
> l...@6by7.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe a list for mutual OOB trades?
>>
>
> I would advise against this, OPEX nightmare. Who will NOC call when it
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 19:53, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE <
l...@6by7.net> wrote:
Maybe a list for mutual OOB trades?
>
I would advise against this, OPEX nightmare. Who will NOC call when it is
down? What will they say to the other end to identify the circuit? When
will it
Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: "Matthew Crocker"
Cc: "NANOG"
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 8:08:55 PM
Subject: Re: OOB management options @ 60 Hudson & 1 Summer
Before getting rid of the cellular bas
On 4/15/21 6:14 PM, Matthew Crocker wrote:
I’m in DR space @ 60 Hudson and the Markeley MMR @ 1 Summer
I'm in both locations as well. We have a 10MB static IP connection for
them and I think it's like $50/mo. Depends on how "out of band" you want
it to be.
I also think Markley @ 1 summer
We don’t advertise it, but we’ll do the same where we can, which is most POPs.
The 2mbit waived commit is smart, clean. I like it!
Maybe a list for mutual OOB trades?
—L.B.
Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
CEO
l...@6by7.net <mailto:l.
bad experience, I don't really care.
>
> The additional profit that they've made from having me as a loyal customer
> more than covers the cost of 1 free sammich every N.
>
> In many ways Markley seems similar - they feel like they understand that some
> things (like OOB)
yal customer
more than covers the cost of 1 free sammich every N.
In many ways Markley seems similar - they feel like they understand that
some things (like OOB) are annoying to deal with, and that the loyalty /
goodwill provided by being "nice" more than repays the cost of the service.
On 4/16/21 1:33 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:
> https://www.markleygroup.com/cloud/network/out-of-band
Wow, this is an impressive offering. I wish more providers would do this.
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:20 PM Mike McGurty wrote:
> I believe we were recently quoted a price of like $900/month (between
> cross-connect and monthly charge) for 10Mb OpenGear OOB access in a large
> Canadian Data Center. We passed. While I don’t disagree, you have to pay
&g
> On 15 Apr 2021, at 23:29, wrote:
>
>
> Ha! “Surprised”? Well, offering OOB for a reasonable price could be a
> differentiator for the savvy colo providers, but bean counters say: “Huh? If
> customer X wants OOB, they can pay ~$300/mo for a cross-connect”. ~$300/m
I believe we were recently quoted a price of like $900/month (between
cross-connect and monthly charge) for 10Mb OpenGear OOB access in a large
Canadian Data Center. We passed. While I don’t disagree, you have to pay for
these services. The cost far exceeds the value for what is provided in
Someone has been spending time at Equinix.
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:01 PM wrote:
>
>
> Ha! “Surprised”? Well, offering OOB for a reasonable price could be a
> differentiator for the savvy colo providers, but bean counters say: “Huh?
> If customer X wants OOB, they can pay ~$300
> On 15 Apr 2021, at 23:14, Matthew Crocker wrote:
>
> I’m in DR space @ 60 Hudson and the Markeley MMR @ 1 Summer
>
> I’m surprised OOB bandwidth isn’t a feature for colocation providers.
In --dayJob we were a customer of 1 Summer. OOB was provided by Markley in the
form of
Ha! "Surprised"? Well, offering OOB for a reasonable price could be a
differentiator for the savvy colo providers, but bean counters say: "Huh? If
customer X wants OOB, they can pay ~$300/mo for a cross-connect". ~$300/mo
might seem an exaggeration, but not for some of
Geez, I’ve been at 1 Summer for 6+ years, never new they offered this. I’ll
have to check it out
Thanks
-Matt
From: Saku Ytti
Date: Friday, April 16, 2021 at 1:34 AM
To: Matthew Crocker
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: OOB management options @ 60 Hudson & 1 Summer
CAUTION: This email origin
I only need a couple serial ports and
> ethernet for when everything breaks.
>
>
>
> I’m in DR space @ 60 Hudson and the Markeley MMR @ 1 Summer
>
>
>
> I’m surprised OOB bandwidth isn’t a feature for colocation providers.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
Give the Verizon Machine to Machine plan a try before you give up on the
cellular.
--Pete
From: NANOG on behalf of Saku
Ytti
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 12:33 AM
To: Matthew Crocker
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: OOB management options @ 60 Hudson & 1 Summer
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 01:18, Matthew Crocker
wrote:
I have routers in both 60 Hudson St & 1 Summer St and I’m looking for some
> low cost bandwidth options for out of band management. Currently
>
>
>
> I’m surprised OOB bandwidth isn’t a feature for colocation providers.
>
What SIM provider and modem are you using in those Opengears?
It’s been over a year but walked around 60 Hudson with LTE . I would
exhaust the modem , provider , antenna placement options
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 9:12 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Before getting rid of the cellular based OOB, l
Before getting rid of the cellular based OOB, look into some more detail
about exactly what LTE modems are in those. I've seen some remarkable
results from equipment using the 600/700 bands (tmobile, verizon) for
getting signal into deeply buried concrete structures. There's a lot of
nd a wireless/ethernet
bandwidth option. I only need a couple serial ports and ethernet for when
everything breaks.
I’m in DR space @ 60 Hudson and the Markeley MMR @ 1 Summer
I’m surprised OOB bandwidth isn’t a feature for colocation providers.
Thanks
Hi all
Realise this may not be the best place to post this, but currently
looking for someone in MMR1 in Global Switch SG who can provide a low
speed IP link for OOB. Copper hand off, no BGP peering required.
Off-list replies welcome
Cheers
Cameron
it...
>
> #fios
>
No it’s not… #tunnelbroker
Owen
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>> Why use IPv4 for OOB? Seems a little late in the day for that.
>>
>>
>>-Bill
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 15:
On 11/12/14 11:49 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
I hear the chaps at Hurricane Electric can help you with a nice
tunnel for that...
yea.. because when the sh*t hits the fan I REALLY need a dependency
upon a wonky tunnel server made of cheese an
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> I hear the chaps at Hurricane Electric can help you with a nice
>>> tunnel for that...
>> yea.. because when the sh*t hits the fan I REALLY need a dependency
>> upon a wonky tunnel server made of cheese and mouse parts to be in the
>> middle o
>> I hear the chaps at Hurricane Electric can help you with a nice
>> tunnel for that...
> yea.. because when the sh*t hits the fan I REALLY need a dependency
> upon a wonky tunnel server made of cheese and mouse parts to be in the
> middle of my work process?
wait a sec! there's cheese? where?
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:27 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:36:17 -0500, Christopher Morrow said:
>
>> also, it's hard to use ipv6 when your last miile provider doesn't offer it...
>
> I hear the chaps at Hurricane Electric can help you with a nice tunnel for
> that...
yea.. because when
> I hear the chaps at Hurricane Electric can help you with a nice tunnel
> for that...
there is no such thing as a nice tunnel
just last week i was able to get a /23 from $ISP as part of my transit
purchase with them for one location, but you still have to explain and
justify your use to $ISP (who in-turn has to explain/justify to ARIN). if
you can't do that, it really is "just cuz i want it". like someone else
said previo
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:36:17 -0500, Christopher Morrow said:
also, it's hard to use ipv6 when your last miile provider doesn't offer it...
I hear the chaps at Hurricane Electric can help you with a nice tunnel
for that...
Indeed. I've h
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:36:17 -0500, Christopher Morrow said:
> also, it's hard to use ipv6 when your last miile provider doesn't offer it...
I hear the chaps at Hurricane Electric can help you with a nice tunnel for
that...
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ve an actual product called OoB, in which
case it automatically comes with a /30, or /126.
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because a /23 of ipv6 is very large :)
also, it's hard to use ipv6 when your last miile provider doesn't offer it...
#fios
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
> Why use IPv4 for OOB? Seems a little late in the day for that.
>
>
>
Why use IPv4 for OOB? Seems a little late in the day for that.
-Bill
> On Nov 10, 2014, at 15:02, "Christopher Morrow"
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Paul S. wrote:
>> I'd be doubtful if anyone will feel like offerin
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Paul S. wrote:
> I'd be doubtful if anyone will feel like offering a /23 with OOB as
> justification these days, sadly.
why thought? Justification is really about having a use for the ips,
right? and if you have 500 servers/network-devices ... th
ot valid (only that there is, in fact, use).
With the recent reduction in minimum allocation sizes, he could get PI
space for this directly from ARIN (depending on his previous
allocations and efficient utilization thereof, of course).
> I doubt you'll find many takers who would want to
and what is possible for us (With some
trickery, we could probably do under
> I doubt you'll find many takers who would want to provide you with a
> circuit for a few Mbps with a /23 for OOB purposes "'just cuz."
>
> I note that we're present in Equinix Ashburn
Without explaining the "restraints," this kinda boils down to "'cuz we
> want it," which stopped being good justification many years ago.
>
> I doubt you'll find many takers who would want to provide you with a
> circuit for a few Mbps with a /23 for OOB
wn to "'cuz we
want it," which stopped being good justification many years ago.
I doubt you'll find many takers who would want to provide you with a
circuit for a few Mbps with a /23 for OOB purposes "'just cuz."
I note that we're present in Equinix A
I'd be doubtful if anyone will feel like offering a /23 with OOB as
justification these days, sadly.
Good luck nonetheless.
On 11/10/2014 午後 11:00, Ruairi Carroll wrote:
Hey,
VPN setup is not really a viable option (for us) in this scenario.
Honestly, I'd prefer to just call it do
t a router or VPN system on the single IP they are giving
> you and use RFC1918 addressing space?
>
> OOB doesn't normally justify a /24 let alone a /23.
>
> On 10 November 2014 13:18, Ruairi Carroll
> wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I've got an upcomin
Couldn't you put a router or VPN system on the single IP they are giving
you and use RFC1918 addressing space?
OOB doesn't normally justify a /24 let alone a /23.
On 10 November 2014 13:18, Ruairi Carroll wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I've got an upcoming deployment i
Dear List,
I've got an upcoming deployment in Equinix (DC10) and I'm struggling to
find a provider who can give me a 100Mbit port (With a commit of about
5-10Mbit) with a /23 or /24 of public space , for OOB purposes. We had
hoped to use Equinixs services, however they're limiting
On Saturday, March 01, 2014 10:20:29 PM Eric Tykwinski
wrote:
> I do remember though something about a modem over VoIP
> protocol being developed, something like Jay was saying
> about Faxing over VoIP, but I guess it never took off.
> My guess being relying on the same line as an internet
> con
o the
> RJ-11 port in the modem. It would be easier to use the comcast internet
> connection with some sort of IPsec tunnel for OOB. It’s cheap and mostly
> reliable.
>
> If you’re looking for a better solution see the thread on OOB gear RE:
> opengear. They are multi-por
As others have said modems require POTS or at least a PBX line. Also isn’t the
hand-off fog VoIP ethernet? You wouldn’t be able to stick that into the RJ-11
port in the modem. It would be easier to use the comcast internet connection
with some sort of IPsec tunnel for OOB. It’s cheap and
I've had problems with DTMF originating from comcast voice in the past (going
into t1/pri from xo terminated on Cisco-ISR with voice modules).
Was a pain to troubleshoot. I would be interested to hear your results, much
depends on how they implement the service.
- Jared
> On Feb 28, 2014, at
- Original Message -
> From: eric-l...@truenet.com
> Subject: Any experience with Comcast digital voice for OOB (offlist is fine)
You're asking if a VoIP link could be used with traditional modems to do OOB
management?
I'm pretty sure the answer is a flat no: any mo
Sincerely,
Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
F: 610-429-3222
I wonder if anyone has gear in
TELEHOUSE Seoul
Seoul Financial Center
Taepyeongno 1-ga 84
Jung-gu, Seoul, Korea 100-170
and would be interested in exchanging a low bandwidth/utilization
ethernet cross connect strictly for OOB management purposes to aid in
troubleshooting and monitoring during
On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 06:39:28PM +0100, Mikael
> Abrahamsson wrote:
>> IPMI is exactly what we're going for.
>
> For Vendors that use a "PC" motherboard, IPMI would probably not be
> difficult at all! :)
>
> I think IPMI
> From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se]
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Matthew Petach wrote:
>
> > Thank goodness ethernet never has problems with negotiation going
> awry,
> > and coming up with mismatched duplexes, and vendors never had to
> > implement "no negotiation-auto" in their config
ked on are order of 10^6 managed ports at a time
10^5ish oob ports, auto-negotiation on copper is not a problem that
figures in rollouts anymore and hasn't for more than half a decade.
Has this happened to you with equipment designed and manufactured the
past 5 years?
For me this was a problem
On 13/01/2013 07:42, Matthew Petach wrote:
> PS--while we're at it, can I have a pony?
The day that we see good quality trouble-free OOB on all networking kit
that everyone is happy about will be the day that vendors shower us with
ponies for all. I'm quite sure of it.
Nick
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Matthew Petach wrote:
Thank goodness ethernet never has problems with negotiation going awry,
and coming up with mismatched duplexes, and vendors never had to
implement "no negotiation-auto" in their configs because you couldn't
count on everyone's implementations working
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Christopher Morrow
wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
>> I want OOB with ethernet, MDIX, 100base-TX or 1000base-TX, with DHCP client
>> support. With a cherry.
>
> and auto configuration that works? :) reliabl
On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:10 AM, Nikolay Shopik wrote:
>> I had reverse tunnel from one of our DC's over a 3/4g usb dongle that
>> had a measured availability of less than 50% which oddly I didn't
>> consider acceptable.
>
> How is that possible?
Nothing stops you from having the device auto-VPN b
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> I want OOB with ethernet, MDIX, 100base-TX or 1000base-TX, with DHCP client
> support. With a cherry.
and auto configuration that works? :) reliably? with your
switch/router upstream? :)
the lot of them in such a way that I don't need to carry around a manual
for dealing with this crap at 3 in the morning.
Kill it with fire.
I want OOB with ethernet, MDIX, 100base-TX or 1000base-TX, with DHCP client
support. With a cherry.
Nick
On 1/10/13, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> On 10/01/2013 13:51, Jared Mauch wrote:
> - rs232: please no. it's 2013. I don't want or need a protocol which
> was designed for access speeds appropriate to the 1980s.
[snip]
Maybe stop with rs232 versus Ethernet, and implement _bot
On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> I don't think roland was really saying that normal netflow from a device in
> production pushing a few hundred gbps of traffic would be
> appropriate to ship out the OOB network... or I hope that wasn't his point. I
On 12.01.2013 3:44, Joel jaeggli wrote:
> On 1/11/13 02:44 , Nikolay Shopik wrote:
>> Also getting POTS line in your pop sometimes get tricky. 2G/3G modems
>> with cheap plans cost like 10$/month (dunno about US though), thats
>> almost same as POTS line.
>
> They don't generally have public IPs (
doesn't, making it a superior
OOB channel to something purely IP based during difficult conditions.
A central office line will be backed by the CO's generator. An RSU
line won't be, so it may give out during the outage. Could be a couple
hours later but it'll still run out of
on, and I doubt
>they would tell you details of their power systems.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>
>From: "Jay Ashworth"
>To: "Walter Keen" , "William Herrin"
>
>Cc: "NANOG"
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:09:25
A POTS circuit necessarily terminates on a piece of gear with a specific CLLI,
generally discernable at order time.
What that gear will be, and if it's in a CO with a "real" battery plant is also
known in advance.
And, to tie it back on topic, the odds of a core router being in a place where
i
t;
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:09:25 PM
Subject: Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list
The issue wasn't diversity, it was "is my POTS on Central Battery"; sorry for
the comparative red herring.
- jra
Walter Keen wrote:
I work for a rural Telecom in northwest
estimates the distance of that copper pair. Then you can
>guess where you might be connected to.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>
>From: "William Herrin"
>To: "Jay Ashworth"
>Cc: "NANOG"
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013
line that measures and estimates the
distance of that copper pair. Then you can guess where you might be connected
to.
- Original Message -
From: "William Herrin"
To: "Jay Ashworth"
Cc: "NANOG"
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:30:48 PM
Subject: Re
On 1/11/13 02:44 , Nikolay Shopik wrote:
> Also getting POTS line in your pop sometimes get tricky. 2G/3G modems
> with cheap plans cost like 10$/month (dunno about US though), thats
> almost same as POTS line.
They don't generally have public IPs (that can be arranged). verizon 4G
cards have ipv6
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> You are suggesting that it is *at all* difficult for a technically competent
> end-user to determine whether a given new POTS line will go to a CO or to an
> RSU?
Well, let me treat this as an opportunity to learn. How does one
arrange for a
- Original Message -
> From: "William Herrin"
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> > Oh, I dunno, Bill. Sure there are lots more RSUs than there used to be,
> > but at least it's not all *that* hard to tell if you're connected to one.
> >
> > Much easier than, say, fi
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> Oh, I dunno, Bill. Sure there are lots more RSUs than there used to be,
> but at least it's not all *that* hard to tell if you're connected to one.
>
> Much easier than, say, finding out if both sides of your loop have been
> groomed into the
- Original Message -
> From: "William Herrin"
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Randy Whitney
> wrote:
> > Nothing beats POTS in a broad power outage scenario. Numerous power
> > outages
> > have taken down mobile service completely while the POTS lines
> > stayed up as
> > it carries
Also getting POTS line in your pop sometimes get tricky. 2G/3G modems
with cheap plans cost like 10$/month (dunno about US though), thats
almost same as POTS line.
On 10/01/13 20:18, William Herrin wrote:
> Dial up with PPP and then cross the ethernet? Drop off a cellular
> modem with IP service i
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
>
>
>
> Not sure about you, but I've used the ability for a POTS line to either
> ring or give me a modem tone to determine the power status at the site.
>
> - Jared
>
When I worked in the BBN NOC, we used the customers fax line to determine
i
On (2013-01-10 11:52 -0600), Charles N Wyble wrote:
> I have every device hooked to this. Pdus, routers, switches, vm, storage
> servers. That allows me to get console and power cycle every device.
>
> What more would I want? Dialup means I need to be in a place I can hook up a
> modem. Not t
I have a Cyclades acs-48 console server. Direct power and Ethernet drop from
the ceiling with a public ip. In my subnet, but not through my routers/switches
or pdus. Completely out of band, except for relying on colo power/net, which if
that's not up then oob is worthless to me anyway.
I
t any old CPE on any access have same benefit, except you could ping
it.
However this has again nothing to do with the RS232 onband/eth oob on the
router, you can still have your modem just fine and run the ETH OOB over
it. Keeping any value you today extract from PSTN.
Personally, I'd really l
age
From: Christopher Morrow
Date: 01/10/2013 9:24 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey
Cc: b...@herrin.us,rcar...@network1.net,nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Warren Bailey
wrote:
> Why is Satellite not a good OOB option?
>
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Warren Bailey
wrote:
> Why is Satellite not a good OOB option?
Sometimes it is, and a larger colo could probably make another few
nickles selling connections to an OOB access network which included,
as one of the ways in, a satellite link.
Regards,
Bill Her
On 10/01/2013 16:52, Saku Ytti wrote:
> If POP is powerless, where will be POTS powered RS232 Modem connect to?
To the same power feed as the router you're trying to rescue. If that feed
has no power, it's time to take out the gerbil wheel.
Nick
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Warren Bailey
wrote:
> Why is Satellite not a good OOB option?
>
inside iron boxes satellite signal is 'hard'.
getting a roof mounted antenna is extra cost/complexity.
or so some thinking goes.
Why is Satellite not a good OOB option?
>From my Galaxy Note II, please excuse any mistakes.
Original message
From: William Herrin
Date: 01/10/2013 8:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Randy Carpenter
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list
On Thu,
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Randy Whitney wrote
>
>
> Nothing beats POTS in a broad power outage scenario. Numerous power
> outages have taken down mobile service completely while the POTS lines
> stayed up as it carries its own power by design.
> --
> Randy
>
It's been a while since I've tr
On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:
> On (2013-01-10 11:41 -0500), Randy Whitney wrote:
>
>> Nothing beats POTS in a broad power outage scenario. Numerous power
>> outages have taken down mobile service completely while the POTS
>> lines stayed up as it carries its own power by desig
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Randy Whitney
wrote:
> Nothing beats POTS in a broad power outage scenario. Numerous power outages
> have taken down mobile service completely while the POTS lines stayed up as
> it carries its own power by design.
Carries it from somewhere that has to remain pow
On (2013-01-10 11:41 -0500), Randy Whitney wrote:
> Nothing beats POTS in a broad power outage scenario. Numerous power
> outages have taken down mobile service completely while the POTS
> lines stayed up as it carries its own power by design.
Is your RS232 Modem POTS powered?
If POP is powerle
On 1/10/2013 11:18 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Randy Carpenter wrote:
My main requirements would be:
1. Something that is *not* network (ethernet or otherwise) (isn't
that the point of OOB?)
I don't under
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Randy Carpenter wrote:
>> > My main requirements would be:
>> >
>> > 1. Something that is *not* network (ethernet or otherwise) (isn't
>> > that the point of OOB?)
>>
to do this (e.g.: DSL for OOB, 3G, private
VPLS network via outside carrier). It is a challenge in the modern network
space. Plus I have to figure that 9600 modems are going to be harder to find
as time goes by.. at some point folks will stop making them.
Isn't the biggest issue here
ttison their equipment before the
> end of this decade. In the absence of a modem + console server,
If modem to RS232 is what OP meant. Then obviously he can do this with OOB
ETH also. Just buy modem with ethernet port.
I'd need this in hundreds of pops, I'm not going to build sec
he items in the
pop/location.
I do hope to improve that solution with some networked thing, so I do
want ethernet... I'm just saying that today it's not cost effective
everywhere. You seem to agree with this, in previous posts at least.
> world, what's wrong with having etherne
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:44 AM, wrote:
>> I don't think you can get ethernet and transport out-of-the-area in
>> some places at a reasonable cost, so having serial-console I think is
>> still a requirement.
>
> TDM is disappearing quickly in at least some parts of the world. We
> may not be quit
y to something that transports it
> out-of-the-area? Modem?
Yes, we have done this in a site with one device.
> If you have a consolerouter there with T1 interface as link to outside world,
> what's wrong with having ethernet port from that T1 router to the ethernet
> OOB
port go? It goes to Console server in POP, which is
ethernet connected?
At least this is how vast majority to do it, maybe you have CON2AUX between
neighbouring devices, then you could have OOB ETH to ETH between
neighbouring devices.
Console server costs more than ethernet switch, so it's actuall
On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>>
>>- rs232: please no. it's 2013. I don't want or need a protocol which
>> was designed for access speeds appropriate to the 1980s.
>
> I don't think you can get ethernet and transport out-of-the-area in
> some places at a reas
with having ethernet port from that T1 router to
the ethernet OOB port on the router needing OOB access, instead of having
RS232 port on them. It's cheaper and easier to cable ethernet compared to
RS232. RS232 has much shorter cable length compared to ethernet (9600
reaches 20 meters o
> I don't think you can get ethernet and transport out-of-the-area in
> some places at a reasonable cost, so having serial-console I think is
> still a requirement.
TDM is disappearing quickly in at least some parts of the world. We
may not be quite there yet, but I think it's entirely reasonable
that roland was saying that the oob network should
collect flow records and export them to 'something' so you'd have an
idea about what traffic was on the network... I can see some value in
that.
I don't think roland was really saying that normal netflow from a
device in product
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