On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 02:46:51PM +, David Hubbard wrote:
> After sending them abuse reports for years with only an increase in
> malicious traffic, I have no expectation of anything they do getting
> better or being for the benefit of the internet as a whole.
This is a shared experience.
12 Mar 2021 9:54
Subject: RE: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
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Subject: RE: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
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> From: NANOG On Behalf Of
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> Subject: Re: OVH datacenter
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of
> David Hubbard
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> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
>
> After sending them abuse reports for years with only an increase in mali
After sending them abuse reports for years with only an increase in malicious
traffic, I have no expectation of anything they do getting better or being for
the benefit of the internet as a whole. Only reason this is probably getting
any attention from them is in hopes they don’t irreparably
On 11 Mar 2021, at 21:43, Randy Bush wrote:
... but in a week or two
i hope he can tell us results of more analysis. …
Actually just *the way* in which OVH communicates about this gives hope
that we will indeed hear a useful analysis. It may be fortunate that
this happened before they
>>> It surprises that important sites don't do mirroring.
>> depends on what you mean by 'mirroring.' think latency.
> Though a best effort to mirror would be acceptable. Maybe not up to
> the minute but at least a recovery.
depends on if the writer has to wait for it to hit the spinning oxide
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:40 PM Randy Bush wrote:
> It surprises that important sites don't do mirroring.
>
> depends on what you mean by 'mirroring.' think latency.
>
> randy
> --
>
> Though a best effort to mirror would be acceptable. Maybe not up to the
> minute
> It surprises that important sites don't do mirroring.
depends on what you mean by 'mirroring.' think latency.
randy
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Subject: Re: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
Several government websites have been impacted by fire. But >90% was
operationnel during the same day after the incident.
There are DRP (seems to be working) and backups in other datacenters. There
must remain exceptions or minor thi
tries where has no expertise.
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* NANOG
> on behalf of Randy Bush
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:43 PM
> *To:* Lukas Tribus
> *Cc:* Eilers, Laura via NANOG
> *Subject:* Re: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
.
From: NANOG on behalf
of Randy Bush
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:43 PM
To: Lukas Tribus
Cc: Eilers, Laura via NANOG
Subject: Re: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
>> Statement (in French) from Octave Klaba, containing some discussion
>> of the development of the
In the 1990s, I spent long time researching and talking to people about
the history of the old Automated Data Processing room code requirements.
You can tell by the terminology "Automated Data Processing" the age of the
original requirements. IBM helped write the original requirements in the
From: George Herbert
...Interesting overview of fire damage.
I remember many years ago spec'ing a machine room at BU and coming to
loggerheads with the VP of building and grounds.
He (well, their rules) wanted low-temp sprinkler triggers, I wanted
the high-temp ones (I forget but I think
He looks sooo tired.
>> Statement (in French) from Octave Klaba, containing some discussion
>> of the development of the fire (starts at ~ 4:30):
>> https://www.ovh.com/fr/images/sbg/index-fr.html
> English:
> https://www.ovh.com/fr/images/sbg/index-en.html
and a few hundred of us hoping we never have to stand in
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 18:10, Enno Rey wrote:
>
> Statement (in French) from Octave Klaba, containing some discussion of the
> development of the fire (starts at ~ 4:30):
>
> https://www.ovh.com/fr/images/sbg/index-fr.html
English:
https://www.ovh.com/fr/images/sbg/index-en.html
> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
> If you pump 100s of megawatts of energy into a confined space (i.e. a large
> data center), and there is an uncontrolled release of that energy (i.e. a
> fire), that's a lot of energy which is going to go somewhere.
> Stored energy,
> On Mar 11, 2021, at 5:06 AM, Matt Harris wrote:
>
> There are plenty of effective options besides environmentally-destructive
> Halon, dangerous-to-equipment water sprinkler, or dangerous-to-personnel CO2
> for fire suppression these days. Some of the most common today are foam
> systems
If you pump 100s of megawatts of energy into a confined space (i.e. a
large data center), and there is an uncontrolled release of that energy
(i.e. a fire), that's a lot of energy which is going to go somewhere.
Stored energy, batteries, backup fuel for generators, server plastic, etc.
There is
>
> https://us.ovhcloud.com/about/company/green-tech
>
> Further I conjecture that a halon system would not be feasible in such a
> structure.
>
> Daniel
>
> There are plenty of effective options besides environmentally-destructive
> Halon, dangerous-to-equipment water sprinkler, or
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:45 AM Dale W. Carder wrote:
> Sadly, the foams are not without environmental impact either with
> respect to PFAS.
what's the trade off on environmental impact for:
"foam fire retardant" (or halon or ...)
vs:
"Burning plastics and other carcinogen like materials"
Thus spake Matt Harris (m...@netfire.net) on Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 05:06:46AM
-0600:
>
> There are plenty of effective options besides environmentally-destructive
> Halon, dangerous-to-equipment water sprinkler, or dangerous-to-personnel
> CO2 for fire suppression these days. Some of the most
> Again: all conjecture, which seems to be tolerated here. ;-)
It's all good food for thoughts! It's important to learn from these
things, because I (and I expect many others) assumed that fire
suppression systems would prevent something like this from happening.
It is good to think and talk
On 11 Mar 2021, at 11:46, Daniel Karrenberg wrote:
… Further I conjecture that a halon system would not be feasible in
such a structure. …
Several of you have pointed out to me at varying level of politeness
that ‘halon’ is no longer used. Sometimes I cannot hep but reveal my
age … ;-)
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:46 AM Daniel Karrenberg wrote:
> Maybe the innovative ‘green’ design had something to do with the
>
On 10 Mar 2021, at 16:42, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
Sad to see of course, but also a little surprising that fire
suppression systems didn’t, well, suppress the fire.
Maybe the innovative ‘green’ design had something to do with the
rapid spread of the fire and the way fire suppression was
It is amazing that they can burn so well. Would never have imagined it.
Regards,
Roderick.
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of George Herbert
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:37 AM
To: Andy Ringsmuth
Cc: nanog@nanog.org list
Subject: Re: OVH datacenter SBG2
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> On Mar 10, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>
> Sad to see of course, but also a little surprising that fire suppression
> systems didn’t, well, suppress the fire.
>
> Unless they didn’t exist?
I am assuming you haven’t had a real datacenter fire before.
I’ve
Emergency responders run into buildings everyone else is running out of.
Keep their safety in mind when designing your mega-data centers.
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/fire-destroys-ovhclouds-sbg2-data-center-strasbourg/
The emergency services of Bas-Rhin sent 115 firefighters
That'll work. :-)
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:10 PM Sabri Berisha wrote:
> - On Mar 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jeff Shultz
> wrote:
>
> The OVH datacenter is (was) in France. I bet you 10 bucks that the
>> fire department was on strike.
>
> Report I saw had the fire department on site in 3
> No, French Superheroes flew in from Le Café du Peintre near the
> Bastille in under 30 nanoseconds. However, it was still futile.
jingoism does not deter fires
Peace,
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 1:10 AM Sabri Berisha wrote:
> And because, for once, the French were not on strike, I donated $10 to the
> American Red Cross.
I believe the American Red Cross has long given up even trying to
figure out who donates them how much and why.
--
Töma
- On Mar 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jeff Shultz wrote:
>> The OVH datacenter is (was) in France. I bet you 10 bucks that the
>> fire department was on strike.
> Report I saw had the fire department on site in 3 minutes of the call. They
> even
> had a German-manned fireboat "Europa 1" working
Subject: Re: AW: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
Report I saw had the fire department on site in 3 minutes of the call. They
even had a German-manned fireboat "Europa 1" working the fire from the water
side.
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:37 AM Sabri Berisha
mailto:sa...@cluec
Report I saw had the fire department on site in 3 minutes of the call. They
even had a German-manned fireboat "Europa 1" working the fire from the
water side.
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:37 AM Sabri Berisha
wrote:
> - On Mar 10, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Bryan Holloway br...@shout.net wrote:
>
>
Sounds like France.
From: NANOG on behalf
of Sabri Berisha
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:34 PM
To: Bryan Holloway
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: AW: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
- On Mar 10, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Bryan Holloway br...@shout.net
- On Mar 10, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Bryan Holloway br...@shout.net wrote:
Hi,
> Fire Department was there in under five minutes.
I assume your Enron DC was in the U.S.?
The OVH datacenter is (was) in France. I bet you 10 bucks that the
fire department was on strike.
Thanks,
Sabri
Vitrol™ -- Ask for it by name.
At $dayjob-1 I ran one of Enron's old (abandoned) datacenters which was
built in the early aughts or earlier.
Even that had full pre-action systems, which we once triggered when one
of my colleagues accidentally hooked up a battery backwards.
*poof*
Fire
the conjecturbation is only surpassed by the vitrol
An: nanog@nanog.org
Betreff: Re: OVH datacenter SBG2 in Strasbourg on fire
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 3:23 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
>
> Very sad day for our colleagues at OVH AS16276 as they lost their
> datacenter SBG-2 in Strasbourg/France completly („everything is
> destro
I'm sure this is just a coincidence:
"OVHcloud has launched the process for a public offering (IPO) on the Paris
stock exchange. The announcement came on Monday, two days before a fire
destroyed one of the company's 32 global data centers in Strasbourg."
Cheers,
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 4:03 PM
If you give people the means to hurt you, and they do it, and
you take no action except to continue giving them the means to
hurt you, and they take no action except to keep hurting you,
then one of the ways you can describe the situation is "it isn't
Was thinking the exact same thing; they and Digital Ocean seem to compete for
the number two spot behind China as a malicious traffic source on all my public
facing networks.
From the pics, the place looked like it has had quite a few semi-trailer
containers added around it, perhaps they were
So your saying my “bot” dashboard should show a decrease in volume today?
Interesting… I might run some stats today to see if there is a noticeable drop
in Europe.
-John
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 10:53 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG
> wrote:
>
> In addition to that, even if this is not good
In addition to that, even if this is not good for many "honest" people that was
using the DC, we need to take it in the positive side. In my own case, OVH is
probably the cause of 80% of the abuse cases I report, and they never react.
I'm convinced I'm not the only one, as I read in other ops
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:43 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>
> > On Mar 10, 2021, at 3:23 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
> >
> > Very sad
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 3:23 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
>
> Very sad day for our colleagues at OVH AS16276 as they lost their datacenter
> SBG-2 in Strasbourg/France completly („everything is destroyed“) in a fire
> and the neighboring SBG1/SBG3/SBG4 at least temporary.
>
>
Very sad day for our colleagues at OVH AS16276 as they lost their datacenter
SBG-2 in Strasbourg/France completly („everything is destroyed“) in a fire
and the neighboring SBG1/SBG3/SBG4 at least temporary.
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