On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Aaron Wendel
aa...@wholesaleinternet.netwrote:
On 7/14/2013 3:37 PM, Richard Golodner wrote:
On Sun, 2013-07-14 at 09:36 -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
in
fact, they were all likely in the same rotten boat.
Why I love open source. Look at my mail, track
It would be fun to make a encryptation keyboard. A keyboard that add
the text you write to a buffer, and wen the buffer is full, output it
to the computer encrypted. Maybe with pgp. Such machine would
probably need a led with the text you are writing.
That way, you coud be using Google Docs or
Or you could send emails that people cannot reply to, that would stop them dead
in their tracks.. ;)
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From:
Date: 07/16/2013 1:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: nanog list nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net wrote:
Dropping everything at once may dilute the debate as I am sure your
government and every other government that may be proved to be involved will
it seems likely that every gov't with sense is doing this sort of
thing...
..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net wrote:
Dropping everything at once may dilute the debate as I am sure your
government and every other government that may be proved to be involved will
it seems
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:17:46 +0200, \tei'' said:
It would be fun to make a encryptation keyboard. A keyboard that add
the text you write to a buffer, and wen the buffer is full, output it
to the computer encrypted. Maybe with pgp. Such machine would
probably need a led with the text you are
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Barry Shein
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wrote:
What I find particularly troubling is this image of the govt paying
for these surveillances. The price seemed to be from around $325 for
an install plus $10 to $750 install
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:45:26 -0500, Aaron Wendel said:
We (ISPs) are all compelled to provide information from time to time
under a court order. The PRISM program is voluntary.
Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest how voluntary that sort of stuff is.
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:45:26 -0500, Aaron Wendel said:
We (ISPs) are all compelled to provide information from time to time
under a court order. The PRISM program is voluntary.
Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest how voluntary that sort
message
From: Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com
Date: 07/15/2013 7:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Cc: nanog list nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM
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Date: 07/15/2013 7:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Cc: nanog list nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to
encrypted messages
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15
Mobile Device.
Original message
From: ryang...@gmail.com
Date: 07/12/2013 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to
encrypted messages
It wouldn't be. When the endpoint in question is compromised
Maybe people will now start turning on their encryption functions on
any device capable of doing it :)
Those that care did that many moons ago. The rest don't care.
Of course, if you do not have control of the endpoints doing the encryption
(ie, the untrustworthy sucker is in the middle
: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to
encrypted messages
It wouldn't be. When the endpoint in question is compromised, there isn't
any amount of tunneling or obscurity between point a and point b that will
resolve it. Only thing you can do is change
Date: 07/14/2013 9:16 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net
Cc: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com,nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
Seems Kim was right all along... Rumors have it MegaEmail
my guess is that microsoft was probably more honest than gobble, appeal,
etc. so ms looks as if they gave more to the nsa traitors when, in
fact, they were all likely in the same rotten boat.
randy
On Sun, 2013-07-14 at 09:36 -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
in
fact, they were all likely in the same rotten boat.
Why I love open source. Look at my mail, track my web site visits. None
of this should come as any surprise, especially to the members of this
list. Now for the guy down the
On 7/14/2013 3:37 PM, Richard Golodner wrote:
On Sun, 2013-07-14 at 09:36 -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
in
fact, they were all likely in the same rotten boat.
Why I love open source. Look at my mail, track my web site visits. None
of this should come as any surprise, especially to the
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Aaron Wendel wrote:
We (ISPs) are all compelled to provide information from time to time under a
court order. The PRISM program is voluntary. These companies gave the NSA
access to their systems voluntarily. To me there is a big difference. I
would be interested to
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 03:50:19 -, ryang...@gmail.com said:
Only thing you can do is change to a solution that you have more control over.
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
Best. Juxtaposition. Ever.
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Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
That doesn't sound like it would be effective in this instance?
Sent from my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com
Date: 07/12/2013 1:06 PM (GMT-08:00
my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.com
Date: 07/11/2013 6:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
Whos doing the spyiing, anyway?, sounds like a colaboration betwen
Microsoft and the NSA. Sounds to me like Microsoft, and the NSA,are
doing the spyiing.If some judge declare this actions illegal, a
crime, Microsoft will be co-perpetrators.
Even if no judge declare this a crime, what
The US federal government may have funded some initial research into the
Internet, but they certainly didn't [give] it to us in the first place.
I know it was probably not the intention, but the phrasing of that
statement implies that we are using a government provided communications
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:26:32 -, Warren Bailey said:
The NSA needs to be spying on OTHER people, we are apparently innocent until
proven guilty.. Ymmv
Be careful what you wish for - bad things happen when there's an organizational
push to find somebody who's guilty of something, when there's
..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
I 2nd Rodrick's statement of so please tell me why are most people shocked
with all the spying by governments?. All this leak does is confirm what most
people already suspected or assumed.
-Grant
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM
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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:40 PM
To: Rodrick Brown
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
I 2nd Rodrick's statement of so please tell me why are most people shocked
with all the spying by governments?. All this leak
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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:40 PM
To: Rodrick Brown
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to
encrypted messages
I 2nd Rodrick's statement of so please tell me why are most people
shocked with all the spying
What I find particularly troubling is this image of the govt paying
for these surveillances. The price seemed to be from around $325 for
an install plus $10 to $750 install and $500/mo.
Now, let's not drop right into the easy and trite don't they deserve
to be reimbursed right off. Sure, they/we
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, Tom Morris wrote:
We use Office 365 here at work, but I'd definitely be interested in looking
into alternate solutions --- at the very least I am going to be sure to
inform our staff that there is to be no expectation of privacy when using
your Office365 account. Gross.
We are currently working on something right now where all connections
are doing over an encrypted vpn. We are bringing SIP, email, search,
and cloud to the tunnel.
You can contact me off list if you would like to know more.
Nick Khamis
While that would secure the connections from snooping if you're mailboxes
are on Office 365 and those mailbox stores do not exits on an encrypted LUN
then a service can easily read the Exchange database; anyone with server
access can read mail across all mailboxes. In fact, Microsoft supports this
I should also note that even if the stores are on an encrypted LUN you are
still exposed to impersonation and journaling.
-matt
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Matt Baldwin baldwinmat...@gmail.comwrote:
While that would secure the connections from snooping if you're mailboxes
are on Office
I should also note that even if the stores are on an encrypted LUN you are
still exposed to impersonation and journaling.
-matt
I would hate to assume. Please do elaborate.
N.
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Matt Baldwin wrote:
While that would secure the connections from snooping if you're mailboxes
are on Office 365 and those mailbox stores do not exits on an encrypted LUN
then a service can easily read the Exchange database; anyone with server
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Bruce Pinsky b...@whack.org wrote:
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Matt Baldwin wrote:
While that would secure the connections from snooping if you're mailboxes
are on Office 365 and those mailbox stores do not exits on an encrypted
LUN
..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
We are currently working on something right now where all connections
are doing over an encrypted vpn. We are bringing SIP, email, search,
and cloud to the tunnel.
You can contact me off list if you would like to know more.
Nick Khamis
: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
That doesn't sound like it would be effective in this instance?
Sent from my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com
Date: 07/12/2013 1:06 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Justin M
Anyone else planning on bailing from office365?
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
Sent from my Mobile Device.
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Anyone else planning on bailing from office365?
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
--
..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Anyone else planning on bailing from office365?
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
From: Scott Weeks
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 15:26
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to
encrypted messages
--- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
From: Warren Bailey wbai
: off topic rant :
Just assume no data you store and or traverses any public cloud
service is private or secure this is just silly.
I can't believe people are so naive to believe messages sent over the
public Internet isn't intercepted stored and analyzed by the same
government bodies
I 2nd Rodrick's statement of so please tell me why are most people
shocked with
all the spying by governments?. All this leak does is confirm what most
people already suspected or assumed.
-Grant
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Rodrick Brown rodrick.br...@gmail.comwrote:
: off topic rant
From: Rodrick Brown
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 21:27
To: Warren Bailey
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
messages
: off topic rant :
Just assume no data you store and or traverses any
--- rw...@ropeguru.com wrote:
From: Robert Webb rw...@ropeguru.com
At least there are some that try and take a stand for
their customer and not just hand over the keys to the
palace when the good ole boys ask.
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