Re: PGP/SSL/TLS really as secure as one thinks?

2013-06-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-07, at 11:14, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote: On 2013-06-07 06:50, Dan White wrote: [..] A nice 'it is Friday' kind of thought OpenPGP and other end-to-end protocols protect against all nefarious actors, including state entities. If you can't trust the entities

Re: PGP/SSL/TLS really as secure as one thinks?

2013-06-10 Thread Matthew Petach
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 2013-06-07, at 11:14, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote: On 2013-06-07 06:50, Dan White wrote: [..] A nice 'it is Friday' kind of thought OpenPGP and other end-to-end protocols protect against all

PGP/SSL/TLS really as secure as one thinks?

2013-06-07 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2013-06-07 06:50, Dan White wrote: [..] A nice 'it is Friday' kind of thought OpenPGP and other end-to-end protocols protect against all nefarious actors, including state entities. If you can't trust the entities where your data is flowing through because you are unsure if and where

Re: PGP/SSL/TLS really as secure as one thinks?

2013-06-07 Thread Leo Bicknell
On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote: If you can't trust the entities where your data is flowing through because you are unsure if and where they are tapping you, why do you trust any of the crypto out there that is allowed to exist? :) Think about it, the same

Re: PGP/SSL/TLS really as secure as one thinks?

2013-06-07 Thread David Walker
On 08/06/2013, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote: On 2013-06-07 06:50, Dan White wrote: [..] A nice 'it is Friday' kind of thought Caring about secrecy (or obscurity) of algorithms is a fools errand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerckhoffs%27s_principle Taking Shannon's maxim the