Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-07-01 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sam Stickland wrote: | Even if they are decrementing TTL inside of their MPLS core, the TTL | expired message still has to traverse the entire MPLS LSP (tunnel), so | the latency reported for each hop is in fact the latency of the last | hop in the

RE: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-27 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Interestingly enough, when I trace from my Cisco router it seems to show some MPLS labels after the hop of interest (12.88.71.13 to 12.122.112.78, only 24 msec here!). I'm not sure how our Cisco box derives these from a foreign network. The ICMP

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-27 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Just google tbr1.sl9mo.ip.att.net and it's clear that high latency through that point has occurred before. And guess what kind of customer complained to me about the latency? A gamer. you can pay a lot of money

Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk
Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively consistently measure with a RTT of 15 msec, but the next hop (12.122.112.22) comes in with a RTT of 85 msec. Unless ATT is sending that traffic over a cable modem or to Europe and back, I can't see a reason why there

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread James R. Cutler
Deep Packet Inspection engine delay. G On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively consistently measure with a RTT of 15 msec, but the next hop (12.122.112.22) comes in with a RTT of 85 msec. Unless ATT is

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread John T. Yocum
When I asked ATT about the sudden latency jump I see in traceroutes, they told me it was due to how their MPLS network is setup. --John Frank Bulk wrote: Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively consistently measure with a RTT of 15 msec, but the next hop

RE: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
: Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency When I asked ATT about the sudden latency jump I see in traceroutes, they told me it was due to how their MPLS network is setup. --John Frank Bulk wrote: Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread John T. Yocum
. Yocum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency When I asked ATT about the sudden latency jump I see in traceroutes, they told me it was due to how their MPLS network is setup

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, John T. Yocum wrote: The explanation I got, was that the latency seen at the first hop was actually a reply from the last hop in the path across their MPLS network. Hence, all the following hops had very similar latency. Personally, I thought it was rather strange for

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Robert Richardson
explanations for a large hop in latency When I asked ATT about the sudden latency jump I see in traceroutes, they told me it was due to how their MPLS network is setup. --John Frank Bulk wrote: Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively consistently measure

RE: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
PROTECTED] Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency The explanation I got, was that the latency seen at the first hop was actually a reply from the last hop in the path across their MPLS network. Hence, all the following hops had very similar latency. Personally, I

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Tim Peiffer
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency The explanation I got, was that the latency seen at the first hop was actually a reply from the last hop in the path across their MPLS network

RE: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:20 PM To: John T. Yocum Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nanog list Subject: Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency They probably don't propagate TTL w/in their MPLS core. Depending on how they have MPLS implemented, you may only see 2 hops

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Randy Bush
Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Just google tbr1.sl9mo.ip.att.net and it's clear that high latency through that point has occurred before. And guess what kind of customer complained to me about the latency? A gamer. you can pay a lot of money for the net propagation anomaly detection services that