In my neck of the woods, critical locations often exist in the middle of
nowhere, resulting in underserved facilities, where best effort networks
such as metro Ethernet cannot be trusted to remain available 24x7x365. Many
times, during prime business hours, I will see a telco metro Ethernet
This *was* a troll, right...?
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:55 AM, david peahi davidpe...@gmail.com wrote:
In my neck of the woods, critical locations often exist in the middle of
nowhere, resulting in underserved facilities, where best effort networks
such as metro Ethernet cannot be trusted to
Matthew,
On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote:
This *was* a troll, right…?
I suspect it wasn't. There's some people who equate various types of services
with others.
I've been following this thread with some head-scratching going on. Some folks
think
On 10/09/2012 21:43, Matthew Petach wrote:
If service is critical enough to me that 20 second hiccups make
a difference, I'll find two providers to provide connectivity
um, what do you mean, two providers?
to the location via relatively cheap waves
This *is* a troll, right...?
just sayin'
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
On 10/09/2012 21:43, Matthew Petach wrote:
If service is critical enough to me that 20 second hiccups make
a difference, I'll find two providers to provide connectivity
um, what do you mean, two providers?
to the location
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, david peahi writes:
In my neck of the woods, critical locations often exist in the middle of
nowhere, resulting in underserved facilities, where best effort networks
such as metro Ethernet cannot be trusted to
On 9/8/12, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote:
Subject: Re: Are people still building SONET networks from scratch? Date:
Just the fact that BFD had to be reinvented shows that there is ample
reason to prefer the steady-train-of-frames-with-status of SONET/SDH over
perhaps-nobody-sent
Subject: Re: Are people still building SONET networks from scratch? Date: Sun,
Sep 09, 2012 at 01:15:35AM -0500 Quoting Jimmy Hess (mysi...@gmail.com):
On 9/8/12, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote:
Subject: Re: Are people still building SONET networks from scratch? Date:
Just
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012, Måns Nilsson wrote:
Still, the stupid f€%€/# that make prices for linecards made me go GE
instead of OC48 for the most recent deployment. In Sweden, both vendors
claim about 6 times as much, per megabit, for SDH line cards.
The once-in-a-lifetime that happened here (took
Will Orton w...@loopfree.net writes:
I've considered using J's PE-4CHOC3-CE-SFP (OC3 emulated SAToP), then I
could do it all with gig-e underneath. Does anyone make a cheaper OC3
circuit emulation module or box? Most likely the customer wouldn't believe
such a thing is possible and we'd
OT, what is the _expected_ latency on each hop/ADM in the SDH/SONET network?
HTH,
Dan #13685 (RS/Sec/SP)
The CCIE troubleshooting blog: http://dans-net.com
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On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Robert E. Seastrom
Subject: Re: Are people still building SONET networks from scratch? Date: Fri,
Sep 07, 2012 at 10:50:31PM +1000 Quoting Julien Goodwin
(na...@studio442.com.au):
A few of the engineers at $DAYJOB still try and claim SONET is easier to
troubleshoot, but that hasn't been my practical experience
Does anyone make a cheaper OC3 circuit emulation module or box?
Maybe Cisco ME 3600X 24CX Switch or Cisco ASR 903 Router
adam
On 07/09/12 02:38, Will Orton wrote:
Having much more experience with ethernet/packet/MPLS setups, we are trying
to
get the client to admit that 1g/10g waves running ethernet with QoS would be
as
good as or better in terms of latency, jitter, and loss for their packet
data.
So far
On the surface this makes me want to cry. I could be missing something as
well.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Will Orton w...@loopfree.net wrote:
We've run into an issue with a customer that has been confounding us for a
few
months as we try to design what they need.
The customer has a
On 06/09/2012 17:38, Will Orton wrote:
The customer has a location in the relative middle of nowhere that they are
trying to build a protected OC3 to.
Not sure if I see the problem here. Show them the bill for an OC3 service,
and then show them the bill for the equivalent ethernet service.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
On 06/09/2012 17:38, Will Orton wrote:
The customer has a location in the relative middle of nowhere that they are
trying to build a protected OC3 to.
Not sure if I see the problem here. Show them the bill for an OC3
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 06:00:37PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Not sure if I see the problem here. Show them the bill for an OC3 service,
and then show them the bill for the equivalent ethernet service. This
usually works for me. If they want to pay for OC3 when there's no
compelling reason
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Will Orton w...@loopfree.net wrote:
. I suppose they were all built
directly on the fiber (maybe with WDM but no layer1.5-2 muxing) and the
provider was always the one who handled protection switching?
or protection at the optical layer isn't as predictable for
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